£6 car alarm

[jaylee]

OK so I've bought the remote locking/burglar alarm kit Perros Huevos suggested.

The wiring for the remote locking and solenoid seems pretty straightforward. I can do that.

It's the burglar alarm that is bewildering, not helped by rubbish instructions in tiny print.

Basically there are 10 wires with diagarmatic instructions as follows:
Blue and white wires side by side, it simply says "acc on door trigger". Don't understand.
Next an orange one which appears to go to brake lamp wiring, or at least to a diagram which shows a brake pedal, a lamp and +12v power supply. What's the brake pedal got to do with a burglar alarm?
Single brown wire splits into two to go to indicator lamps. Makes sense. They'll flash when activating alarm.
Yellow one goes into a whole diagrammatic world of gibberish entitled "center lock", the only bits I can make out being "starter, "relay", "cut", "key on" and "key +12V" with green and white wires. I'm assuming this all relates to a 4 pin plug and socket with two green, a yellow and white wires exiting from it. The socket has an anchor hole on it where you presumably bolt it securely somewhere convenient. I have no idea what this is for. It came in the box but is referred to nowhere.
blue/black wire goes nowhere
Red into 12v power supply- ok understood.
Black and pink into siren. Both to one terminal? The siren itself has two wires; a black earth with anchor point and a red one.
A red one going to +12v power supply. understood.

The other question is where does all this connect to the vehicle electrics? On the back side of the drivers side fusebox? Or, assuming I put the control box in the door cavity do I have to route these (quite short) wires through the black door pillar loom and somewhere into the engine? Or do all the relevant vehicle wires conveniently pass through the driver's door anyway?

As you can guess from my ignorance I haven't actually started on this yet (not even got the door panel off), and won't for a few days, so it's not a matter of urgency. I have scoured this website and tried to find wire by wire instructions but can't see them. So if anyone can remember installing one of these recently...

Sound like it triggers the doors to lock when the brake pedal is applied..?!! (I could be wrong.?)
I had similar on my alarm.. (A different type.) Annoying & made me jump!! I put it to a momentary switch in the end, like a panic button...? My doors lock down & my windows roll up if open..

[jaylee]

Is it possible for you to scan the instructions & email to me..? I can see if i can chop some sense into this..

I wouldn't install the brain box in the door cavity, there are plenty of places in the cab... How long are the wires in the 10 wire loom? (Aprox.)

[anucatone]

V kind. PM me your email address and I'll send you the diagram

The wires are about 2ft long max, but some longer than others

[jaylee]

Email replied... If the orange wire on the 9 pin is what i think it does..? (& i reckon it does.) When you have the engine running & the first time you press the footbrake the doors will lock. They will unlock & the indicators will flash when the ignition is turned off... Don't worry about that one for now..!? (I maybe wrong??) "Anti Hijack"

[perros huevos]

OK so I've bought the remote locking/burglar alarm kit Perros Huevos suggested.

The wiring for the remote locking and solenoid seems pretty straightforward. I can do that.

It's the burglar alarm that is bewildering, not helped by rubbish instructions in tiny print.

Basically there are 10 wires with diagarmatic instructions as follows:
Blue and white wires side by side, it simply says "acc on door trigger". Don't understand.
Next an orange one which appears to go to brake lamp wiring, or at least to a diagram which shows a brake pedal, a lamp and +12v power supply. What's the brake pedal got to do with a burglar alarm?
Single brown wire splits into two to go to indicator lamps. Makes sense. They'll flash when activating alarm.
Yellow one goes into a whole diagrammatic world of gibberish entitled "center lock", the only bits I can make out being "starter, "relay", "cut", "key on" and "key +12V" with green and white wires. I'm assuming this all relates to a 4 pin plug and socket with two green, a yellow and white wires exiting from it. The socket has an anchor hole on it where you presumably bolt it securely somewhere convenient. I have no idea what this is for. It came in the box but is referred to nowhere.
blue/black wire goes nowhere
Red into 12v power supply- ok understood.
Black and pink into siren. Both to one terminal? The siren itself has two wires; a black earth with anchor point and a red one.
A red one going to +12v power supply. understood.

The other question is where does all this connect to the vehicle electrics? On the back side of the drivers side fusebox? Or, assuming I put the control box in the door cavity do I have to route these (quite short) wires through the black door pillar loom and somewhere into the engine? Or do all the relevant vehicle wires conveniently pass through the driver's door anyway?

As you can guess from my ignorance I haven't actually started on this yet (not even got the door panel off), and won't for a few days, so it's not a matter of urgency. I have scoured this website and tried to find wire by wire instructions but can't see them. So if anyone can remember installing one of these recently...

Sound like it triggers the doors to lock when the brake pedal is applied..?!! (I could be wrong.?)
I had similar on my alarm.. (A different type.) Annoying & made me jump!! I put it to a momentary switch in the end, like a panic button...? My doors lock down & my windows roll up if open..

hi the acc wire goes to a ignition live, the trgger wire goes to the door switch wire, brake lamp wire you dont have to connect,centre lock wire connects to the relay which breaks the starter wire thick green wires,siren put the black wire to earth and connect the red siren wire to the pink from the alarm module.the central locking wires you will have to extend and run them into the drivers door
chris

[anucatone]

Thanks Chris,

I'm completely ignorant of Bongo wiring though. The relay in particular: does yellow wire go to yellow wire, and is it obvious which wires the two green and white ones connect to on the Bongo?

Which one on the bongo is ignition live and which is the door switch wire?

Matt

[perros huevos]

Thanks Chris,

I'm completely ignorant of Bongo wiring though. The relay in particular: does yellow wire go to yellow wire, and is it obvious which wires the two green and white ones connect to on the Bongo?

Which one on the bongo is ignition live and which is the door switch wire?

Matt

hi matt the yellow from relay goes to yellow from alarm module, the white from relay goes to the white from alarm module & connect them both to ignition live, the 2 green wires you will need to cut your starter wire which should be either black/yellow or blck/blue near the steering column and connect each green wire to the wire you have cut
chris

[anucatone]

Chris,

I'm almost there with the theory, and Jaylee's kindly helped too.

Do I understand from what you say about the relay that: I connect the white alarm module wire to the white relay wire and then connect them BOTH to ignition live, whereas the yellow alarm module wire and the yellow relay wire simply connect to each other?

You say the starter wire should be black yellow or black blue near the steering column - i can probably find that. I cut it and join each green relay wire to each end of the cut wire to close the circuit.

Now what colour is the Bongo door switch wire and where do I find it?

Does this alarm activate when any of the doors are opened or is it only activated by the motion sensor?

And if I have to do the work in stages does it make any difference whether I fit the burglar alarm or the remote locking first?

[jaylee]

Chris,

I'm almost there with the theory, and Jaylee's kindly helped too.

Do I understand from what you say about the relay that: I connect the white alarm module wire to the white relay wire and then connect them BOTH to ignition live, whereas the yellow alarm module wire and the yellow relay wire simply connect to each other?

You say the starter wire should be black yellow or black blue near the steering column - i can probably find that. I cut it and join each green relay wire to each end of the cut wire to close the circuit.

Now what colour is the Bongo door switch wire and where do I find it?

Does this alarm activate when any of the doors are opened or is it only activated by the motion sensor?

And if I have to do the work in stages does it make any difference whether I fit the burglar alarm or the remote locking first?

Both, the motion sensor should trigger the alarm by a knock. (say to the widows to smash em.) If any of the doors get forced & opened then the factory fitted earth switch to the courtesy lights (if they work/ground properly) will trigger the alarm too! If tit works how i think it does..?!!

[anucatone]

Chris,

Did you fit this actual alarm system as you suggested in the link? There's a blue/black wire which has no explanation in the instructions and in the schematic diagram it's shown as not connecting to anything. On the connector plug it sits between the white "acc on" wire and the brown indicator wires.

Apart from some confusion over whether the door trigger wire is negative or positive i think I understand the rest.

[perros huevos]

Chris,

Did you fit this actual alarm system as you suggested in the link? There's a blue/black wire which has no explanation in the instructions and in the schematic diagram it's shown as not connecting to anything. On the connector plug it sits between the white "acc on" wire and the brown indicator wires.

Apart from some confusion over whether the door trigger wire is negative or positive i think I understand the rest.

hi i am a autoelectrician i fit all types of alarms,all above should be correct the door switch will be negative switched if you can email me the diagram i can advise.do you have a circuit tester to find the starter wire and door switch wire? if not call into toolstation they sell one at £2.92 will try and get some deffianate info on wire colours and location. what year is your bongo?

[jaylee]

There are some locations & wire colours in this thread.... (Its certainly jogging my memory?) http://www.igmaynard.co.uk/bongo/forum/ ... arm+wiring

Hope this helps..?

[anucatone]

Thanks guys,

It's a 1995 model I've got and I've just got my hands on a circuit tester, though haven't had time to use it.

Chris if you PM me your email address I'll you the instruction photos I sent Jaylee.

Matt

[anucatone]

Thanks to Jaylee I found this very good guide by 321away on wiring the alarm with a single door trigger wire:

"easiest way i've found for the door swtches is..
1.remove the tailgate light and pull out the loom a bit, find the turquoisey-green wire with red stripe.
2.pull out the lower trim (where the rear 12v socket is) and locate the loom, split it where it goes vertical and find a red with geen stripe.
3.feed a wire down through the rear light socket and join the 2 previously mentioned wires, this effectively means either side or rear door can switch on both lights.
(If you have a rear type kitchen fitted, you can locate the red/green wire by removing the upper rear trim and pulling down the roof lining, but thats a bit more tricky)
4.In the front of the car, remove the drivers side kick panel, bit of light might help here, look at the furthest (forward, towards front of vehicle) big white connector, pull back some of the tape where the loom drops down and you'll find a red with white stripe, this is the trigger for both front doors.
5.Here's the tricky bit! using your torch shine it upwards and about 6 inches above the big white connector,you'll see a small (usually opaque) connector with about 6 or so wires going through it, one of those is a red with green stripe, that, you guessed it, runs the entire length of the vehilce to the back, where you joined the tailgate trigger, join that to the lower red/white/alarm trigger and you now have all your doors connected,so any door opening will trigger any light in the vehilce set to door.

for indicators, remove the drivers knee panel (should already be out), look in the gap and to the right of the steering wheel you should see a white connector, with a loom looping under the steering column, drop this down and pull the connector apart, using the 'rear' part of the connector, split the loom and locate 2 thinner than the rest wires, should be black with blue trace and blue with green trace, these are your indicator wires.
IF you dont have that connector, then you can also pick up the indicator wires again behind the drivers kick panel, white connector nearest you, green with white trace and green with black trace, you wont need diodes on any of these points."

[anucatone]

Still no idea what the blue black wire is on my alarm module though.