V6 radiator blown - replacement tasks?

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V6 radiator blown - replacement tasks?

Post by ade33 » Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:56 pm

Hi folks,

Well I didn't expect to be posting this so soon. Gutted doesn't even begin to describe my feelings over the last 24 hours :( :(

6 weeks in, our V6 Bongo blew the rad yesterday and we had to be rescued home. Expansion tank was dry, the radiator was also dry under the rad cap - the rad looks like it's blown at the top tank on the offside, by the starter battery. Air con rad had coolant stains on the same top corner, and there was a decent amount of coolant behind and below the starter battery / air intake plumbing area. I saw nothing on the flippin' useless temperature guage, though we did note a distinctly warm smell in the cabin as we stopped. There were no dramatic steam engine impressions or any real sign anything was amiss.

I'm happy (enough...) to take on the radiator replacement on the basis that whatever else may be wrong, the rad needs changing. I've had enough of a look round to decide I can physically do it. One of the good things about the engine not being under the bonnet! I've noted the trans fluid running through the bottom of the radiator - potentially a bit messy but not a big deal.

My question(s) are - is there anything else I should be changing while the cooling system is open - the hoses all appear to be good, all the factory hose clips are in place so it's probably the original rad from 2001. Should I replace the thermostat on-spec, or any other bits? No jokes about cylinder heads please, not at this point anyway... :shock:

I've watched the famous Bongo-bleeding Youtube videos, but I don't have a diesel - is there anything easier, or more difficult about bleeding the V6's?

Your comments, gentle ribbing, shoulder-patting and hand-holding will all be gratefully received - many thanks.
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Re: V6 radiator blown - replacement tasks?

Post by g8dhe » Mon Jul 18, 2016 4:40 pm

Join the crowd, mine did the same week before last and another couple reported on FB this week!
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Re: V6 radiator blown - replacement tasks?

Post by ade33 » Mon Jul 18, 2016 5:11 pm

Hi Geoff,

Have you fixed yours yet? We're not far away (I work in Shoreham) so we could do tag-team spannering!
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Re: V6 radiator blown - replacement tasks?

Post by g8dhe » Mon Jul 18, 2016 6:52 pm

Oh yes its back and running, I use A & J Motors here https://goo.gl/maps/VZB5cohyYMT2, an older pair of lads Alan & John (!) who are old school mechanics and like to get the heads inside!
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Re: V6 radiator blown - replacement tasks?

Post by haydn callow » Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:57 pm

Bleeding the V6 is exactly the same as bleeding a diesel.
A low coolant alarm would have warned you this was happening. Before the expansion tank got empty which is when you may have overheated. If you did overheat the damage can be very expensive.
http://www.coolantalarm.co.uk
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Re: V6 radiator blown - replacement tasks?

Post by Northern Bongolow » Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:09 pm

if these parts are age unknown i would consider changing em for gen mazda parts, stat, fan switch, temp sender switch, and if your feeling flush, get it !!!. maybe do the water pump.
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Re: V6 radiator blown - replacement tasks?

Post by ade33 » Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:45 am

Geoff - that's a handy contact, and I'm very grateful. That garage is probably 15 minutes from where I currently sit. I'm guessing they are a 'Bongo-friendly' garage, in that they know enough about Bongo quirks to be able to care for them?

Haydn - I know my friend, I know. It gets worse because I actually own a Haydn coolant alarm, but have lacked the spare time to fit it to the van. It'll be going on before we drive it again. Obviously that won't help us now, we are in the hole we're in precisely because I didn't put the alarm on.

Northern Bongolow - All those parts are age unknown, so I may have to write (yet) another shopping list. I'm not quite 'flush' enough :wink: for a coolant pump replacement right now; I think I'll wait for the outcome of the radiator replacement to see what other work is required. If I can bleed the system once, I'll be able to bleed it again. I haven't seen any evidence of pump leakage.

Thanks all for your replies and advice. If anyone has anything else to add, please do. :)
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Re: V6 radiator blown - replacement tasks?

Post by teenmal » Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:10 am

I would strongly recommend that you replace the header/expansion tank pressure relieve cap/valve (also known as the radiator cap) .I would also recommend a low coolant alarm, these can be purchased for about £20.00 its a no brainer.
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Post by g8dhe » Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:23 am

ade33 wrote:Geoff - that's a handy contact, and I'm very grateful. That garage is probably 15 minutes from where I currently sit. I'm guessing they are a 'Bongo-friendly' garage, in that they know enough about Bongo quirks to be able to care for them?
I would say so, they had at least one Mazda 2.5TD they serviced before I found them, they hadn't seen a Ford Freda V6 before, but they instantly had the seats up and heads under within seconds of turning up on the site, which impressed me! When I left it for the Cam belts etc. to be done they made use of the Manuals I left for them as well. They haven't let me down in the 3 years been with them so far, and as I don't actually drive (at the moment) they come and collect and deliver from my house, no problems!
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Re: V6 radiator blown - replacement tasks?

Post by ade33 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:45 pm

Thank you Geoff, I think I'll be giving them a call when we're running again.

New radiator turned up yesterday (with a new cap on it), from AVA Leisure - looks very nice for the money (£105 delivered). Well packed and delivered quickly, so thumbs up to them too.

I'll need to go shopping for fluids and bleeding supplies now, then we can get it changed.
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Post by ade33 » Sat Jul 23, 2016 5:49 pm

Right-o, I've taken my time today and the new rad is in the van. Most of the hoses and hardware came off eventually, just broke one bolt from the lower cover - not the end of the world.

When we popped the bottom hose off, we didn't get as much coolant out as I was hoping (eek!), about 7 litres I guess, but I tied up the bottom hose before it all drained out. Lost a little trans fluid, I can top that up no worries.

The new radiator came with a cap fitted marked 0.9, the cap on the old rad was marked 1.1 - which one should I use?

Geoff - I spoke to that garage you mentioned; they've got a new customer. Alan sounds exactly as you described, proper old school. Assuming I can get it running, it's due in there next week. Thanks again.
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Re: V6 radiator blown - replacement tasks?

Post by g8dhe » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:32 pm

Good to hear that you like the sound of them!

I would use the 1.1bar but it shouldn't actually matter as there isn't an outlet pipe even if it does open! It does mean that your carrying a spare 1.1bar cap in the vehicle if you should ever need it and can't get the right spare!
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Re: V6 radiator blown - replacement tasks?

Post by ade33 » Mon Jul 25, 2016 11:24 pm

A bit of progress tonight - it runs :) but it's not bled :?

Carried out the cold see-saw procedure, no problems. Got some air out and maintained the fluid level in the header tank. Stopped after I guess twenty minutes, when the process produced no further air in the funnel.

Started the engine and a rush of small bubbles and a bit of froth came up the funnel; had to stop to clear the froth off so I could see what was going on in the funnel fluid. Happy to see coolant-coloured coolant.

This seemed to cause a decent airlock that took ten minutes of cold see-sawing to clear but clear it did, so we started the beastly bus again and carried on. With the coolant rapidly warming up and the bubbles still coming I thought we were getting somewhere. Then I suffered funnel failure as the joint twixt funnel and pipe wouldn't stay sealed, and I had hot (enough) coolant running everywhere.

Cleary this wasn't going to work so, with the light fading fast, we knocked it on the head for tonight, with a funnel-fix happening tomorrow.

Progress. Not a serviceable van, but progress.
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Re: V6 radiator blown - replacement tasks?

Post by teenmal » Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:40 am

Di you flush the new radiator before fitting,?.

"and a bit of froth came up the funnel; had to stop to clear the froth off "
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Re: V6 radiator blown - replacement tasks?

Post by ade33 » Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:35 am

No, we fitted it and filled it up.

The plan is to see if the head gaskets are still intact, then I'll get the garage to do a coolant flush and refill with fresh coolant. I've got to get it into a suitable state to run 30 miles to the garage first...
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