TM2 readings when scavenger over-ride activated.

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TM2 readings when scavenger over-ride activated.

Post by mikeonb4c » Sat Sep 12, 2015 12:01 pm

Just had a great couple of weeks of getting stuff done, particularly on the Bongo. This is one of a few threads on stuff wot I got done.

I finally got around to fitting the TM2 engine temp alarm I purchased a few seasons ago :oops:

As recommended, I attached the sensor to a rearmost rocker cover bolt (passenger side in my case). I fed the long cable under the centre of the engine cover and ran it around the edge of the driver side engine bay opening (just to use up some of it length!), securing it under a continuous strip of PVC insulating tape, with the display mounted low down on the fascia towards the footwell area but in clear view and reachable, to the left of the steering using 4 self tapping screws. It seems to work great and I'm going to enjoy seeing what is going on in the engine bay.

Spurred on by this I decided to overhaul the scavenger over-ride facility I'd installed originally 8 years ago but which had been inoperative for some time. My approach was to fit a fresh supply to the fan, fed by a switched relay. But I'd used 15 amp wiring and fuse and the fuse kept blowing because (I assume) the fan was capable of drawing more than that amperage. So I rewired it using 30amp wire (with a fuse) and got it all going again.

This morning I decided to see what the scavenger fan could do. After stopping a warm engine and nipping in to the shops, I switched on to find the sensor reading 84 degrees. I switched on the fan for the 1 minute journey to my house. My the time I arrived the sensor was reading 74 degrees. Part of that would have been achieved by forward movement of the car and by direct flow of cool air over the surface mounted sensor, but I'm pretty sure the major contribution was from the scavenger fan. Its hard to escape the conclusion that the TM2 and the scavenger over-ride switch between them provide an valuable means of preserving your engine in case (1) the factory fitted sensor fails with age and (2) you find yourself in a situation where lack of forward speed means hot air in the bay is not getting flushed out, the more so if - for example - you are labouring and working the engine hard up a long slow incline, though sitting in a traffic jam on a hot day would be another good example.

I don't know if my approach to fitting an over-ride is the soundest although it seems to be working fine. The more recently used method of a switched by-pass to the scavenger fan sensor seems better, but no-one had discovered that one (in fact I don't think anyone had fitted an over-ride at all!) when I opted to make this mod. to mine.

As long as you are happy with making a non-standard mod to a component that is involved with the ECU (the main warning I was given when I did mine) then I'd strongly recommend an over-ride facility on an old Bongo.
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Re: TM2 readings when scavenger over-ride activated.

Post by haydn callow » Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:45 pm

Hi Mike, the sensor is supposed to be fitted to the rear of the cylinder head as per instructions and photos.....fitting it to the rocker cover will still work (sort of) but any readings will be meaningless to others who have the sensor in the recommended position.....
Were you following our instructions or the ones from Oz? If you haven't got our instructions contact Jo. You must have had it lying around for years if our instructions are not included.
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Post by haydn callow » Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:47 pm

With the new TM1and4s you can switch the fan via the alarm unit at a preselected temp ...via a relay.
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Post by mikeonb4c » Sat Sep 12, 2015 2:07 pm

haydn callow wrote:Hi Mike, the sensor is supposed to be fitted to the rear of the cylinder head as per instructions and photos.....fitting it to the rocker cover will still work (sort of) but any readings will be meaningless to others who have the sensor in the recommended position.....
Were you following our instructions or the ones from Oz? If you haven't got our instructions contact Jo. You must have had it lying around for years if our instructions are not included.
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Hi Haydn. Bought 2nd hand but hardly used from another member, without instructions, and fitted to the rocker cover as I didn't have a suitable bolt for fixing to the block proper and because I'd read others had fitted it there also, so we can compare values. I can easily move it later if I'm bothered (which I'm not much as both options are surface mounting so share a common problem). It will give me sufficient insight where it is I think though I'd welcome sight on how to fit to the approved position and where I can order a suitable bolt. You'll recall it was me probably more than anyone who tried years ago to persuade indifferent owners to the value of us all placing the sensor in the same agreed position - so I certainly understand your keenness to stress it now. Guess this is just me being bolshy ha ha.

I'm aware of some models being able to switch on an ancillary device but I actually like having manual control of the process so that if, for example, I see a mountain range ahead, I can start the cooling process early. :lol:
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Post by haydn callow » Sat Sep 12, 2015 2:40 pm

Contact Jo for instructions and a suitable bolt.
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Re: TM2 readings when scavenger over-ride activated.

Post by Gasy » Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:57 pm

I'm with you there Mike
The engine sensor alarm I use have a couple of extra relays built in to switch on fans when set to a temp
But like you I like the manual side I want to know when me engine is working hard and the alarm sounding is a indication it's time for the scavenger fan
Or like you say see that big hill in the distance time to get the fan on

One day I might get round to wiring it that way
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Post by Tony x » Sun Sep 13, 2015 10:08 am

You'll find another use for the TM2 is when it comes time to bleed the coolant.
As the engine warms up the temperature gauge will rise and rise. It will then hover around a certain point for 2 or 3 minutes before it rises again. This hovering coincides with the thermostat opening, something that has to happen to get all those pesky air bubbles out of the coolant.
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Post by mikeonb4c » Sun Sep 13, 2015 3:39 pm

Tony x wrote:You'll find another use for the TM2 is when it comes time to bleed the coolant.
As the engine warms up the temperature gauge will rise and rise. It will then hover around a certain point for 2 or 3 minutes before it rises again. This hovering coincides with the thermostat opening, something that has to happen to get all those pesky air bubbles out of the coolant.
Useful tip and thanks for flagging it up =D>
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Post by mikeonb4c » Sun Sep 13, 2015 3:41 pm

haydn callow wrote:Contact Jo for instructions and a suitable bolt.

Will do Haydn and thanks for that. I'll try and get my installation in line with approved - might even try and fabricate a bolt cover to minimise surface cooling effect.
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