Side Conversions - Size Matters and I need help!

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Side Conversions - Size Matters and I need help!

Post by Snoozie » Thu May 23, 2013 11:18 pm

Hi - I am looking for some help/advice about rock and roll bed size from anyone with a side conversion.

Currently I have a full width bed which is really comfy, and I just use a camping gas stove and a washing up bowl. I decided that this year I would go ahead with a side conversion made by a local company who make GRP / fibreglass conversions in lovely colours. I chose the colour last year and bought vinyl flooring to go with it (still in a roll in my hallway). Unfortunately the guy who makes them has 'disappeared' for a while and I have got nowhere on the phone or with emails. I heard a rumour that he may be away with a big contract in Wales, but I don't know for sure. I am prepared to wait a while to see if he returns, but in the meantime I have bought a bed frame for a rock and roll bed. I can get the flooring fitted and the bed and get the conversion done after - either by him or, if he doesn't return, by someone else. The bed frame I have bought hasn't yet been made because the guy who makes them is waiting for me to tell him what dimensions to make it, and I have to tell him soon.

I was hoping to be able to fit a bed 107cm wide but I think this is too wide for a Bongo, but want to get the biggest I can - over 3ft I hope, even a couple of inches more is better than nothing. Does anyone know if a 3/4 bed 104cm wide will fit in a Bongo with a normal side conversion, or will I have to have even narrower?

It seems to me that the limiting factor is the standard depth of the commonly used hobs and sinks. I don't need deep cupboards, but a standard campervan hob and sink like the smev 9222 (I think it is, and pretty much all I have seen when searching for hobs) is 37cm deep, so I suppose the side unit has to be a minimum of about 40cm deep. What I am not sure of, and what makes a difference of several inches, is whether the worktop of a side conversion can go right up to the bottom of the side window - over that lip on the interior side panel which sticks out a few inches.

Can anyone with a side conversion please let me know what width rock and roll bed they have in their bongos?

I know that there are some conversions in which the sink and hob area stick out over the foot of the bed, to allow a wider bed, but I can't get hold of the guy who does the fibreglass units I like to ask if they can make that shape or whether the profile of the unit will have to be straight down (i.e. as wide at the bottom as the top). I thought if I have to get a narrow bed, I could have the rear end part of the side conversion (over the rear wheel arch) much lower - at the level of the bed frame and board (with a hinged opening at the top to store odd things), and then I would make a long narrow foam cushion to fit on the top of that to make the usable bed space wider at the head and shoulder end when the bed is pulled out..... if that makes sense.

I have measured the length also to see if a 180cm length will fit. That is longer than the one I have now (which is about 5ft 6ins) and looks a bit tight to have any standing room at the bottom of the bed. I gather that for registration as a camper a 180cm bed (or 6ft which is a little bit longer) is mandatory. Any comments on being able to squeeze in a bed this long would also be appreciated.

Many thanks. Sorry for the long post. I have been trying to work it out with a tape measure, but not sure if I can measure the width from the bottom of the window or from the interior panel. :? I know that advice from experienced bongo owners is always worth having. :)
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Re: Side Conversions - Size Matters and I need help!

Post by Dodgey » Thu May 23, 2013 11:50 pm

Hi - I did my conversion based exactly on your requirements. My bed, according to my drawings, is 104cm wide (I'll check in the flesh tomorrow, but for now, cad drawings will do) and is very comfortable , two-up.

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The worktop works out 354mm deep at the narrow end, and 480 deep at the fat, hob/sink end.

It's infinitely more comfortable than a standard bed. I've borrowed a bongo with one and slept two-up so I know.

Bed length is fine. Would not want any shorter. You can stand up at the end but we just do that to get dressed, one at a time, then get the bed back to the seat position asap! or it's just too cramped.

If you are interested, I could do your conversion for you if it's very similar to mine.
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Re: Side Conversions - Size Matters and I need help!

Post by Snoozie » Fri May 24, 2013 12:42 am

Hi Dodgey - thanks for your reply. You have done a great job there!

Also raised some other possibilities to consider! You are not too far from me either.

My immediate rush is to tell the guy I bought the bed frame from, what size to make it. I bought it on ebay - already 3 or 4 weeks ago (and paid for it) and so don't want to delay that too much longer. I have been trying to get in touch with the local guy who was going to do the conversion since I bought the bed frame, but must move with the bed instructions now. I'm not planning to bother with a proper fridge - they are so expensive and I have an electric coolbox which is fine for me. So I guess I don't need to complicate things by getting him to cut into the corner piece for where you have your fridge, although I will get them to cut off the corner at the tailgate end, passenger side - which I have already mentioned to him.

For an additional £350 they will do full upholstery, with the head rest shapes in the seats, and in vinyl. I'll see if I can find a pic in a minute. But I'm not too tempted by that. For a start I'm not sure that visibility out of the rear window with the head rest shapes would be good with a bongo compared with a VW and also I am a bit loathe to commit to vinyl without seeing it (the bed is being made near Exeter) - I don't fancy anything that feels 'plasticky' even if it is easily wipeable and I have a dog that loves mud! I gather some vinyl can feel quite soft and not cold to the touch, but I would want to see it first! I was thinking of doing the upholstery myself - making covers with zips that could be removed and washed if necessary. I'm not too bad with a sewing machine. The foam on my existing bed is really comfortable so I thought I might be able to cut that down, unless it would be better to sell the entire thing on ebay as I'm sure it would be good for someone with a camper a bit wider than a bongo.

May I also ask your advice about boards (for the bed frame)? The place in Exeter can do these, but I don't know what sort of wood/ ply they use. I believe that marine ply can be lighter in weight than normal ply (??) and I would think that it is not too difficult to get the boards made up to fit, so I might just ask them to make the frame and pay extra for seat belts.

I have delayed going ahead with a conversion due to not being sure what to do first, but I would imagine that the first thing to do is to get the current yucky floor carpet stripped out and the vinyl floor and bed frame + boards fitted and the upholstered foam done. I can still enjoy a weekend away with my portable stove and washing up bowl until the side conversion can be done!

I appreciate your reply. If you could just check the measurements in your bongo tomorrow, or when suits, I'll wait until I hear from you. Thanks again :D
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Re: Side Conversions - Size Matters and I need help!

Post by Dodgey » Fri May 24, 2013 10:40 am

Just measured the bed width - exactly 104cm wide.

I just grabbed the cheapest ply from the timber yard for the bed base. It doesn't take any real load as it's spread over all the metal bars of the frame and there is not enough of it for the weight to be an issue. Buy a few drill bits for drilling through the frame for the screw holes - you'll blunt / snap a couple :-)

I bought my bed form an ebay seller in Devon "2007wally" or something similar.

You want to get your floor done 1st. You could do the bed next , and then remove it to build the kitchen later. I put the bed in last as I had all the gear to build the conversion 1st.
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Re: Side Conversions - Size Matters and I need help!

Post by Snoozie » Sun May 26, 2013 1:23 pm

Many thanks for checking the width dodgey. :D I think that extra 4 or 5 inches wider than the 3ft width bed I have seen in many bongo conversions will make a big difference to comfort if it has to sleep 2.
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Post by Dodgey » Sun May 26, 2013 3:42 pm

It does indeed. With a standard width bed you wake up with your head either in the back your other half's neck, or pressed against a cupboard. With the wider bed you wake up as you would at home.... For me that means spread" star-fished" taking up all the space :-)
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Re: Side Conversions - Size Matters and I need help!

Post by trxbloke » Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:21 pm

I'm in the process of doing a half side conversion, the rear half, which will give me a full width bed, or 2 singles. I have finished the design, and am waiting for the chairs/beds to be built.
I have finished building my sink/cooker/fridge/gas and water unit which is 80cm long and 60cm deep. It fits from behind the speaker grille to the rear door on the offside. this allows the rear door to be opened from the inside.

I have a Google "Sketchup" 3D model if anyone is interested. It shows location of the gas, water, sink/cooker (Smev 8322) and fridge (Waeco CRP-40) and all dimensions. I also have a sketchup model of the seat frames, including holes for mounting to existing floor holes.

I'm not very forum savvy or I would post some pictures. Let me try to work that one out.
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