Non starter

stuc · Post by **stuc** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:43 pm

Help needed urgently, Bongo wouldnt start yesterday, so jumped it off the leisure battery and started ok. Ran faultlessly all day starting and stopping lots of times.
Tried to start it this morning, non starter again so thought it was the battery, but wouldnt jump off the LB or my mondeo.
Bought a new battery to eliminate that problem, still no start.
It just turns over and over and sounds like its not firing.
Replaced glow plugs 2 weeks ago and has been starting off first turn since yesterday.
When ignition is swithed on with engine bay open I can hear relays click before starting.

Any helpwould be appreciated as I was going to advertise it for sale on the site tonight.

Driver+Passengers · Post by **Driver+Passengers** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 5:17 pm

If it was mine, I would measure the voltage across the battery(s) when switched off, and when running, and measure the voltage on the glowplug rail, and possibly test each glowplug again (I've read that it's not uncommon for some glowplugs to die soon after fitting).

Come back with some numbers and others might be able to suggest more...?

(PS. paddle jacket and spraydeck will be in the post on Monday - I've been slow, I know).

lazyb5 · Post by **lazyb5** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 5:22 pm

Gotta be fuel ...crack open the fuel line on the top of an injector and crank the engine should see diesel spurt out I usually put a rag over the pipe you can smell it.
If you have fuel coming out then drivers got the best idea checking glow plugs .
Have you got an immobiliser fitted that sits on the pump solenoid ?

stuc · Post by **stuc** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 7:45 pm

Sorrybut know nothing about diesels, where would I loosen the fuel rail off to check for fuel?
Matt, also how do I check voltage across the glowplug rail, from where to where, and how do I check individual plugs?
Also Matt cheers for posting them, how much do I owe you for the postage.

Also someone has suggested the diesel filter with it being really cold this morning, they can get full of moisture, and this filter has not been changed sinced my ownership.

briwy · Post by **briwy** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:06 pm

It obviously doesn't want you to sell it Stu.

To test the voltage just get a voltmeter +ve on the glow plug rail and -ve to earth, to test the individual ones I guess you will have to take them out again, hold the body of the plug on the -ve battery terminal and wrap a wire round the plug terminal and touch it onto the +ve battery terminal and see if they glow red. I can't see all four new plugs failing at the same time though.

stuc · Post by **stuc** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:10 pm

[quote="briwy"]It obviously doesn't want you to sell it Stu.

Its funny how cars do that, I think you are right.
Will try those tests tomorrow.
Cheers

Northern Bongolow · Post by **Northern Bongolow** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:21 pm

if you find you have no supply to the glow plugs check the following.

is the connecting rail that links the glowplug tops touching the injector pipes underneath.

if yes then the fuseable link may have blown, this is mounted on the positive terminal of the starter battery, its a black tube shaped thing right next to the pos terminal post, its job is to blow like a fuse so the current is switched off when a short occurs on the rail or supply to it.

the reason i suggest the above is when you fit new plugs and the rail is touching something it usually takes a few days/weeks to rub through the insulation before the fault shows, check the fuel link pipe carefully for a burn/rub hole too.

stuc · Post by **stuc** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 11:04 pm

Been waiting for your reply, that sounds logical as I was unsure how far down to screw the tops on the glow plugs, plus the ones that came out were vitara ones which were much longer where they stuck out. I will post some pics for you to see the difference. Could you PM me your no. in case I need any on spot advice tomorrow. Thats if you don't mind that is.

stuc · Post by **stuc** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 11:42 pm

Here is the pic of old v new, i took the pic so the threads were level as thats where they would screw in from. You can see they are quite different. I fitted the long plugs in the end as the overall length was the same.

Driver+Passengers · Post by **Driver+Passengers** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 11:50 pm

That's not the paintwork of the Bongo you're trying to sell in the background, is it?!

stuc · Post by **stuc** » Sun Nov 25, 2012 12:02 am

I'll pretend I didn't see that last post, it's a work bench I assure you.

teenmal · Post by **teenmal** » Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:09 am

stuc wrote:Here is the pic of old v new, i took the pic so the threads were level as thats where they would screw in from. You can see they are quite different. I fitted the long plugs in the end as the overall length was the same.

Hi,I would remove the plugs asap and examine them,particularly the Tips.

Cheers.

stuc · Post by **stuc** » Sun Nov 25, 2012 1:08 pm

Power to the rail. Took out all 4 plugs and guess what- all knackered.
Need to try and source some today from somewhere.

the laird · Post by **the laird** » Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:13 pm

Try and get Nippon denso or NGO glow plugs,you normally find cheap ones don't last and become false econ.most decent factors stock good ones as well as cheapest,once you fit them make sure they are cutting out after initial heating.mind they do stay on for a fair period of ime good luck

teenmal · Post by **teenmal** » Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:42 pm

stuc wrote:Power to the rail. Took out all 4 plugs and guess what- all knackered.
Need to try and source some today from somewhere.

Hi,was the tip of the plugs damaged,try and get plugs with the same lower dimension as the originals.

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