trouble starting but not electrics..........

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trouble starting but not electrics..........

Post by deevdaav » Thu Feb 13, 2014 11:19 am

Binga Banga is poorly and struggling to start......
Every time I try to start the engine it takes a minimum of 2 attempts. It turns over fine, and all lights/electrics etc are working but I need to pump the accelerator to get it to ‘catch’. It is usually 2 attempts but occasionally would take 3. and when it does catch it’s a bone-shaker. However this morning it took 5 goes :(

And when I say ‘every time’ that’s exactly what I mean – cold, warm, wet, dry – it makes no odds. And if I have driven home from work (20 odd miles), stop at Sainsburys for 2 minutes and start again – the same problem, so it’s not just that the engine is cold.

I had the second battery replaced a while ago but that did squat to sort the problem and all electrics are fine - lights mirrors etc. so don't think it can be the electrics

It may be unrelated but on my way up to town last Thursday, having driven for about 40 mins the engine started juddering slightly when I slowed down and shortly after cut out completely when I had to slow down to take a left turn………and on cold mornings it is very sluggish – pressing the accelerator does very little and then suddenly whoosh, she’s off. It also cut out this morning on the garage forecourt but it was first thing........

Conversely, last winter, even in extreme cold, the engine would (start first time &) just rev very high (up at about 2500+ rpm doing 40mph) until it got into its groove and then the revs would drop back to normal. which I understand is totally normal.

anyone??
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Re: trouble starting but not electrics..........

Post by wonkanoby » Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:22 pm

start with new glowplugs
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Re: trouble starting but not electrics..........

Post by Simon Jones » Thu Feb 13, 2014 2:17 pm

Assume it's a diesel? If so, what colour smoke to you get when it starts?
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Re: trouble starting but not electrics..........

Post by teenmal » Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:15 pm

Hi deevdaav,
it would be worthwhile checking to see if the vehicle is fitted with a Cold start exhaust Valve System.

If this system goes T up it can give this type of problem/fault.

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Re: trouble starting but not electrics..........

Post by Northern Bongolow » Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:11 pm

is it a diesel, and an early one, does sound like the diesel pump is sucking air in.-------stalling/cutting out/bad starting. this is usually the front nose seal which is an easy job to do one the pump is out, is it due a timing belt?? if it is then it would be a good time to maybe both.
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Re: trouble starting but not electrics..........

Post by deevdaav » Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:55 am

Thanks everyone. Yes it's a diesel, 1996. I haven't noticed any smoke of any colour bit to be fair I'm usually starting at stupid o,clock in the morning. . It might have a cold start thingy as I think the second battery is for that and there are lots of Japanese skiing stickers on it!
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Re: trouble starting but not electrics..........

Post by deevdaav » Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:03 am

How would I check if it has the cold start system?
Also how long should a timing belt last and I can check my records to see when/if it had been changed.
Thanks all, really appreciate.
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Re: trouble starting but not electrics..........

Post by g8dhe » Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:02 pm

The cold start system has TWO batteries, linked by a thick cable, and a switch down by the drivers knee with a engine and heat symbol on it, this operates the gate in the exhaust system that forces the hot exhaust back around the engine.
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Re: trouble starting but not electrics..........

Post by Ian » Fri Feb 14, 2014 12:06 pm

If you have a cold start system you will have a switch on the dash (right in picture).

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Re: trouble starting but not electrics..........

Post by Simon Jones » Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:37 pm

....or 60 months (5 years) which ever is sooner.

http://www.mytimingbelt.com/Results.aspx?ModelId=398
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Re: trouble starting but not electrics..........

Post by deevdaav » Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:06 am

Right. have checked and there is smoke and it's white. And as I don't have that button, I don't have the cold start system.
we bought the bongo about 5 years ago so it's probably fair to say it's about time for a new timing belt.
so my check list would be:
glow plugs
front nose seal/timing belt

will keep you posted..............and thanks
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Re: trouble starting but not electrics..........

Post by deevdaav » Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:58 pm

Well it looks like the glow pugs are needing some attention.
What size do I need?? The garage has tried 3 sizes - all too short so easier for me to get from here I think.
Also it seems one of them is seized in the cylinder head. Any suggestions on the best way to release it so I don't have to deal with the trauma of replacing that!!
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Re: trouble starting but not electrics..........

Post by wonkanoby » Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:31 am

they use either short or long 83 or 102mm plugs

bit in engine remains same its hieght above varies

http://www.igmaynard.co.uk/bongo/forum/ ... glow+plugs

last post if as im guessing you have long gives some numbers

if short then ngk Y-701J is the most recommended
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Re: trouble starting but not electrics..........

Post by wonkanoby » Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:39 am

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MAZDA-BONGO-1 ... 58aad44a41

those look interesting

any one tried them
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Re: trouble starting but not electrics..........

Post by Northern Bongolow » Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:31 pm

these guys dont usually sell rubbish, they are good guys but im a little worried by the picture, they look like the short 83mm ones #-o #-o .


compare the bit above the thread on this link.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MAZDA-BONGO-2 ... 0941902841
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