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Roof guide

Post by tallbongo » Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:07 pm

I struggled to find a relevant thread before attempting the fix on my roof that would not lower. In retrospect I wish I had spent more time searching as this thread almost exactly describes my roof problem and fix.

http://igmaynard.co.uk/bongo/forum/view ... ve#p593363

One thing mentioned in the thread is that it would be worth checking that the motors do not move when tugged down. I cannot agree with this more. Check them while you can. A roof that fails to lower is much easier to fix than a roof that fails to open. Check the motors once in a while when the roof is open - you don't want them failing when it is closed.

Hopefully I can add a little bit more info here to prevent anyone else struggling with their roof. Apologies if some of my terminology is incorrect.

I wasn't really aware of any unusual problems prior to my roof failing, but having now fixed it, it's clear some of the idiosyncrasies may well have been signs of imminent failure.

1) My roof creaked quite a bit when raising. After the fix it still makes some creaks, but no longer sounds like a donkey laughing.

2) When opening, occasionally the roof didn't fully locate in the up position and I had to drop it an inch or so and re-raise to get the roof raising beeps to silence. This problem only started occurring in the last year. I've raised and lowered the roof 5 times tonight since fixing and it has gone straight up every time. I often see suggestions here that the roof may need a little push to help it go fully up. If your roof needs this, I'd strongly suggest that you check the motors are secure.

If the motors are not secure, here's what happens

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Eventually that exposed worm drive will coil up and your roof will jam. This is what it should look like correctly located.

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If you do run into problems lowering the roof, it may be quite a simple fix if you have someone there who can help.

Fully raise the roof if you can. If it's stuck don't worry and stop if it is struggling. Your assistant needs to be in a position ready to hold the roof up or preferably insert something to brace it up. The gas struts take most of the weight when the roof is raised, so it is not too arduous a job.

Loosen the 3 4mm allen bolts that hold in each motor. You do not need to remove the motors fully, just enough to disengage the cog from the worm drive.

Motor mounting plate showing worm drives.
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Motor showing cog that drives the worm drives.
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Disconnect the wiring connector to each motor (not sure if this is necessary, but it is a sensible precaution).

Ensure the motor bracket is securely located and is not dropping down and that the worm drive is correctly located. Any loose worm drive should now be easy to feed into the guide channel to allow correct location of the bracket.

The struts on each side of the roof should also now move freely. Your assistant should fully raise/brace the roof while you push these struts as far to the rear as you can by hand. You should feel the microswitch in the channel engaging when they are fully back.

The motors can now be tightened up into their bracket again, and the wiring reconnected, locking the roof in place.

Remove bracing/assistant and pray that roof stays in place.

This process can also be used to re-calibrate a roof that is not operating squarely.
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Re: Roof guide

Post by HALLEYBILL » Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:28 pm

Good information here. Having just fixed my roof after it had stuck down (motor seized due to rust) I'm off to carry out these checks whilst the roof is still working!

Thanks to Tallbongo for sharing this advice.
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Re: Roof guide

Post by Ian » Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:09 pm

Tallbongo, that's an excellent write up! Any objection if I include this in an amended version of the AFT fact sheet for the members?
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Re: Roof guide

Post by tallbongo » Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:32 pm

No objection, although sandstone and BongoMTBer contributed a lot of info in the thread I referenced.
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Re: Roof guide

Post by the laird » Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:43 pm

Well see you must have got stuck into it straight away,well done if I get any prob keep yer Heid doon I will b in touch,joking apart glad you got it sorted
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Re: Roof guide

Post by tallbongo » Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:18 am

the laird wrote:Well see you must have got stuck into it straight away,well done if I get any prob keep yer Heid doon I will b in touch,joking apart glad you got it sorted
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Re: Roof guide

Post by cmm303 » Wed Sep 04, 2013 10:20 pm

I had been putting up with my slightly sticky roof until reading this excellent thread. So tonight I investigated the motors which both seemed solid. I tried removing one, but after taking out the mounting screws could not pull the motor free or pull the screw cable thingies out. So concluded that everything was fine, screwed the motor back in place and focussed on lubricating with spray grease. The roof still creeks on one side on the way down especially if it has been up for a bit and the same side needs a little shove to finish the up movement.

Our driveway is not quite level so could this be giving the mechanism grief?
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Re: Roof guide

Post by tallbongo » Thu Sep 05, 2013 2:01 pm

cmm303 wrote:... after taking out the mounting screws could not pull the motor free or pull the screw cable thingies out.


The motor on mine comes off very easily once the bolts are undone. Do you mean the mounting plate? Not being able to move the worm drives is probably a good thing, suggesting the mounting plate is solid.
cmm303 wrote:The roof still creeks on one side on the way down especially if it has been up for a bit and the same side needs a little shove to finish the up movement.

Our driveway is not quite level so could this be giving the mechanism grief?
Can't you park facing the other direction and try it out?
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Re: Roof guide

Post by cmm303 » Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:49 pm

On the way down, I could feel the creek on the strut. Trouble is knowing if it is the root cause of the noise or picking it up from elsewhere.

As I posted, I just knew I should have tried it the other way round on the drive!! but I had cleared up in the dark and fought with strapping wires back up and replacing covers in the dark so was running out of patience as was my faithful button operator.
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Re: Roof guide

Post by cmm303 » Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:58 pm

tallbongo wrote:Do you mean the mounting plate? Not being able to move the worm drives is probably a good thing, suggesting the mounting plate is solid.
Think it was the mounting plate: 3 black screws, 2 on one side, 3rd on t'other behind leccy connector. I tried tugging the motor plus drive cables rearwards and took its reluctance as a good thing. Glad you are thinking the same. Do the struts go creeky? Our tailgate sometimes creeks but these would get much more wear.
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Re: Roof guide

Post by tallbongo » Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:30 am

Yes, the black screws hold the mounting plate to the roof and should be solid, as it sounds like yours is. If these are solid, you won't get the same failure we did, which could easily result in a cracked roof if you are not observant when raising/lowering it.

I can't really comment on struts and ageing causing creaks. However, our roof still creaks and I'm sure the mechanism is all correctly in place now. It makes far less noise than it used to and no longer requires assitstance raising/lowering.
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Re: Roof guide

Post by cmm303 » Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:25 pm

tallbongo wrote:Yes, the black screws hold the mounting plate to the roof and should be solid, as it sounds like yours is. If these are solid, you won't get the same failure we did, which could easily result in a cracked roof if you are not observant when raising/lowering it.
Agreed - I have checked back at the pics earlier in thread.
tallbongo wrote:I can't really comment on struts and ageing causing creaks. However, our roof still creaks and I'm sure the mechanism is all correctly in place now. It makes far less noise than it used to and no longer requires assitstance raising/lowering.
Thanks for your help. I have the peace of mind knowing I have been just a bit proactive!
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