stay cool

[beachbongo]

has anyone tried this stuff or similar products
just wandering if it was worth trying
http://www.frost.co.uk/item_Detail.asp? ... 1%20Litre)

[Northern Bongolow]

someone i know uses a similar product from them called water wetter to great ends.it did what it says on the tin.dont know about this though,25 per cent antifreeze seems a little low to me for its antifreeze use bearing in mind last winters temps.may be ok through the summer though.i would be a little concerned, imo the cooling system needs to operate at a certain temp to operate the stat effectively if you need to use this there must be an underlying problem that may be better fixed.

[missfixit70]

someone i know uses a similar product from them called water wetter to great ends.it did what it says on the tin.dont know about this though,25 per cent antifreeze seems a little low to me for its antifreeze use bearing in mind last winters temps.may be ok through the summer though.i would be a little concerned, imo the cooling system needs to operate at a certain temp to operate the stat effectively if you need to use this there must be an underlying problem that may be better fixed.

Couldn't have put it better myself

[mikeonb4c]

Was it Ron Miel (or Hembracho maybe? or Apole? can't remember) who tried some stuff that improved heat transfer (don't think it was an all in one like ythe stuff above but maybe its just a preblended mixture). They made a good case for using it even with a healthy coolant system. Things like engine and gearbox warming quicker etc. Anyway, they were very positive about its benefits, and they understood the issues involved. Maybe they will read this thread and respond

[widdowson2008]

has anyone tried this stuff or similar products
just wandering if it was worth trying
http://www.frost.co.uk/item_Detail.asp? ... 1%20Litre)

Why are you considering this product - do you have an overheating problem? If you do, then this stuff aint gonna solve it - it will only patch over the problem.
As Ady said, 'Find and fix the problem'.
If the product claims of lowering the coolant temperature by up to 15 degrees are correct, then the design temperature of the engine (maximum efficiency) may not be reached and this will be accompanied by an increase in fuel consumption due to the engine not being allowed to reach its optimum working temperature. (Ady right again)

[beachbongo]

thanks for the replies you have made some very good points
i am not sure if i have a problem or not really
the temp guage sits at 1 oclock when at normal running
which reading the instruction about the mason alarm on here is normal(we have one fitted)
recently when stuck in traffic and a warm day the temp gauge started to rise and the alarm went off
its the only time its has happened
it just seems rather high at normal running which then leaves you not much room for over heating
i realise this subject has been done to death but it does make me worry

[missfixit70]

Sounds like it's working ok to me, it should go up in traffic & the alarm will go off, depending where you've set it, do the fans cut in & bring it down again? Just because the alarm goes off, doesn't necessarily mean you have a problem, it depends where the Mason is set.
The temp gauge will go up to probably about 3/4 of the way between 12 oclock & the end of the scale, this is perfectly normal, depending on load/airflow/engine speed/ambient temp, the main thing is that it comes back down again with fans cutting in/increasing airflow(speed)/increasing coolant flow relative to speed(engine speed).
Positions on the scale are only a guide - not an absolute, depends on the condition of all the components involved - coolant, stat, rad, heater matrixes, sensors, etc.

[hembramacho]

Was it Ron Miel (or Hembracho maybe? or Apole? can't remember) who tried some stuff that improved heat transfer (don't think it was an all in one like ythe stuff above but maybe its just a preblended mixture). They made a good case for using it even with a healthy coolant system. Things like engine and gearbox warming quicker etc. Anyway, they were very positive about its benefits, and they understood the issues involved. Maybe they will read this thread and respond

http://www.igmaynard.co.uk/bongo/forum/ ... =3&t=36743

Was it Ron Miel (or Hembracho maybe? or Apole? can't remember)

Andrew

[mikeonb4c]

Was it Ron Miel (or Hembracho maybe? or Apole? can't remember) who tried some stuff that improved heat transfer (don't think it was an all in one like ythe stuff above but maybe its just a preblended mixture). They made a good case for using it even with a healthy coolant system. Things like engine and gearbox warming quicker etc. Anyway, they were very positive about its benefits, and they understood the issues involved. Maybe they will read this thread and respond

http://www.igmaynard.co.uk/bongo/forum/ ... =3&t=36743

Was it Ron Miel (or Hembracho maybe? or Apole? can't remember)

Andrew

Well done old son

Recommended reading for beachbongo methinks.

[missfixit70]

I think the ONLY time this sort of product should be used, is on a healthy system, otherwise it may be masking a more serious issue that may be something as simple as needing a new (genuine mazda) thermostat or a sludged up rad needs flushing out or replacing.
I can understand wanting to use it for faster warm up etc, especially with LPG systems, but if the thermostat or rad for instance is struggling to do its job, it'll still struggle, & probably fail when called upon to cope with high loads.
Make sure your system is running right, then consider products such as these if you think there may be a benefit to you & there are no negative effects.
Just a thought, does it really make the system run cooler? It may remove the heat more efficientl/effectively, but surely the thermostat still opens/closes at the same temperatures & if required, the fan/s will cut in & out at the same temps?

[beachbongo]

dont panic people i will not be using the product i was just curious about it really
missfixit70 i am not sure about how the alarm is set up at the moment as it was on when we bought the bongo and i was told at time of the purchase that the sytem had been flushed and refilled
the fans do come on when the temperature rises but not sure if they bring the temp down as in both instances we have been able to turn the engine off and wait for bit, we shall have to go on test run and see what happens, mind you we are off to wales again at the end of the month which should give it a good test

we are planning on attending the bash this year may some kind hearted knowledgable person would give us a talking to
thanks for all the comments so far it is appreciated and i realise its probably been done to death this subject

[missfixit70]

dont panic people i will not be using the product i was just curious about it really
missfixit70 i am not sure about how the alarm is set up at the moment as it was on when we bought the bongo and i was told at time of the purchase that the sytem had been flushed and refilled
the fans do come on when the temperature rises but not sure if they bring the temp down as in both instances we have been able to turn the engine off and wait for bit, we shall have to go on test run and see what happens, mind you we are off to wales again at the end of the month which should give it a good test

we are planning on attending the bash this year may some kind hearted knowledgable person would give us a talking to
thanks for all the comments so far it is appreciated and i realise its probably been done to death this subject

Worst thing you can do is turn the engine off IMO, you are preventing it from being able to cool by stopping the flow, if it's still in the scale of the temp gauge with mason mod, it's still controlling, it's doing what it should, the mason alarm sounds like its set a bit low so it's just saying "look at me" not "oh crap I'm dying" let the system do it's job, if you turn it off the heat will just sit there. The fans coming on is part of the control process, it';s not a panic type situation.
What situations was this happening? going up a long hill? high speeds? towing? was it just starting to bip slowly at you or was it going frantic? where was the temp needle?
It sounds to me like you're worrying unneccessarily
Get yourselves booked into the live bleeding demo asap, should help you immensely.

[beachbongo]

It sounds to me like you're worrying unneccessarily

i think you are right
the first time was half way up a welsh mountainous road and we got stuck in traffic as a bus and coach tried to go up and down the same road
the other time was last weekend when we were stuck in traffic going to japfest its was a hot day but the road was flat

Get yourselves booked into the live bleeding demo asap, should help you immensely.

thats not the initiation for newbies is it

[missfixit70]

Get yourselves booked into the live bleeding demo asap, should help you immensely.

thats not the initiation for newbies is it[/quote]

[francophile1947]

thats not the initiation for newbies is it

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