confused about over heating devices

[mikexgough]

For me here endeth the lesson.......... One Size Doesn't fit all.......

Thought for today.........

Check your levels frequently - not just as and when, make sure your coolant is 50% and un damp your temperature gauge by whatever method.....and if you want another gauge and alarm or lights etc....then go for it....BUT they won't put coolant in your header tank ....only YOU can do that....and if you have a coolant loss....find out where it comes from and sort it....by your own means or at a Bongo garage....

Amen

[haydn callow]

carn't disagree with that...Always a "but" If you have bothered to fit a LCA then the little beep/flash when you turn that key tells you that the coolant level is good. If the dam thing just keeps on beeping then get out and open the bonnet and find out why. This over a year will save you about 365 mins (6.083 hours) and less wear and tear of the bonnet hinges

[mikeonb4c]

Mike's the man for the Job..!! gets my vote..

I very rarely (if ever) volunteer for this kind of thing (got enough on my plate) but I might just volunteer for this one if help were needed.

It would be great if users could submit reports online, even if poor old me has to aggregate the data. I'm trying to remember how Ian did the Big Bongo survey. That was online wasn't it?

That questionnaire is not nearly as bad as it looks for the user as its just tickbox options. Inputting each one would be equally quick once a database form with radio buttons has been designed (any MS Access users willing to volunteer - 3 yrs ago I'd have done it in no time but I've not used Access since then so am rusty, though could attempt to remember how to do it). And I think you do need to ask pretty much all those questions if you are to have a chance of good comparative data.

The real issue though is how many peeps have their TM2 sensors in the position now recommended by Haydn because you need a reasonable number before comparative data can be said to resonably reflect the Bongo population.

[lindeelu]

Ben

I am definitely not questioning your knowlege of instrument systems or indeed the Bongo system.

My whole point was oddly enough made for me in your last reply.
I will quote the relevant passage.

"About three quarters of the way up I was down to about 40
MPH and the TM-2 was indicating 125 C, the thermocouple was showing
126 C, the coolant temperature was around 105 C. By the time I got to
the top, the TM-2 had reached it's limits and the thermocouple was up
to 132 C. the coolant thermocouple remained around 105 C."

So the cylinder head at the sensor points was very hot compared to the coolant temperature.

So for the average owner is it not more sensible to attach the sensor to the cylinder head
in the position which most closely reflects the coolant temperature at a point on the head
which is not affected by external influences such as wind, fan draught and heat sink effects from
adjacent parts and large fluctuations caused by locating it close to a narrow coolant outlet?

I thought that was what Haydn had already done.

I appreciate your knowlege and the extent of your complete monitoring instrumentation.
I am now happy you have described that so the average owner will not follow your example
of running a TM-2 above it's alarm adjustment window without the benefit of a safety net.
(I actually though that is what the Tm-2 was)

I have been accused here of "Not contributing to this thread, your confusing it."
And "Sorry for the rant, but with regard to a previous contributer,
some ill considered comments irritate me"

I could find those two comments offensive, not to mention irritating.
I also find if a person is accurate in their thinking they are less likely to be confused

Sorry to have to say this, but I also have feelings, but obviously a thicker skin than some of those I exchange views with.
And I will not descend to making negative comments on fellow contributors whenever their views don't coincide with mine.

[The Great Pretender]

I have been accused here of "Not contributing to this thread, your confusing it."
And "Sorry for the rant, but with regard to a previous contributer,
some ill considered comments irritate me"

I could find those two comments offensive, not to mention irritating.
I also find if a person is accurate in their thinking they are less likely to be confused

Sorry to have to say this, but I also have feelings, but obviously a thicker skin than some of those I exchange views with.
And I will not descend to making negative comments on fellow contributors whenever their views don't coincide with mine.

I'm sorry you feel that what I said was offensive and said because our views are different. I can assure you that you are wrong. If we were having a few beers discussing this i'm sure it would be good natured. I could feel annoyed that instead of understanding my post you took offence.
The point I was making was that you dismissed my reasoning for using the coolant temperature then used coolant temperature in your next post relating it to head temperature, that is confusing, i'm not confused.

[dandywarhol]

Happy days are here again.................................

[The Great Pretender]

Happy days are here again.................................

[2sticks]

Lindeelu,

I apologise profoundly for my part in this unfortunate episode.

[bub devlin]

I think it is safe to say that the manufactures of these devices have given clear concise fitting instructions.
Should any problems arise during installation, additional help is also offered in the form of telephone call to the developer of said product them self, including a no quibble replacement should the unit be found to be faulty.

I feel that any deviation from the manufactures recommended fitting instructions would be the equivalent of sinking my vehicle into the river, opening the free top and using it to catch fish!

[mister munkey]

Back on track then, Ian is orgainising Haydns factsheet info.

It looks like a good point of reference, especially to the uninitiated.

[mikexgough]

With the current thoughts regarding TM2 & readouts........ should that not be reserved to a separate thread or "sticky" .....rather than to get into disagreements about the merits of the TM2 and the best sensor mounting point as well as read out data........Maybe as TM2 as the title?.......then the TM2 guys can ponder things together without congesting other cooling system threads

I thought this thread,linked with the to be produced fact sheet, was to at least give the uninformed at least some degree of knowledge as to what after market warning devices are out there............so they can then choose to fit one or not and along with seeing the devices in action, then make an informed choice.............just a thought

[widdowson2008]

With the current thoughts regarding TM2 & readouts........ should that not be reserved to a separate thread or "sticky" .....

[bobngo]

i started this thread ,by saying "i was confused " having read (and gained alot of knowledge on the subject ), i was even more confused.

so i phoned haydn at coolantalarm.co.uk (01458270230) and had a long discussion with haydn ,who is already a busy man.

he explained many things about the subject ,giving me good reasons why he thought this and that etc
it must be stressed at no time was he "pushing for sales"

as a result i now have some protection devices to fit to my glorius bongo.

the above goods were ordered late afternoon ,and arrived 9am the next morning !!!! fast or what ???

the main point of this post is to advise everyone of the excellent advice/service given by haydn.
so that if you are thinking of buying protection devices he,s your man. btw i have no connection with haydn in any way
but praise where praise is due.

i,m not sure if this post is against forum rules,(advertising in effect ) in which case i guess someone will remove it , but
i cannot praise him enough, i have excluded the fact that he comes from the manchester area, that not his fault ,after all we can,t all come from the west country !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[westonwarrior]

manchester?

when did haydn move up north?

[haydn callow]

I feel all warm and cosy after all those kind words.
I left Manchester when I was 16 to join the army. Now happy in the West Country.