Is it possible to add coolant enhancer

[mister munkey]

Physics become a factor here Mike.

Iron melts at 1538c where as the popping point of popcorn is significantly less. You also need to take into consideration the size of the wagon, number of axles & tyres involved. I've heard that Dunlops are built to enjoy a lower temperature matrix, where as Avons prefer a warmer environment.

Either way, I'm sure someone familiar with popcorn/iron smelting will be along shortly to correct me.

[mikeonb4c]

Physics become a factor here Mike.

Iron melts at 1538c where as the popping point of popcorn is significantly less. You also need to take into consideration the size of the wagon, number of axles & tyres involved. I've heard that Dunlops are built to enjoy a lower temperature matrix, where as Avons prefer a warmer environment.

Either way, I'm sure someone familiar with popcorn/iron smelting will be along shortly to correct me.

Damn - knew I'd forgotten something

[stilldesperate]

THAT'S IT, I'VE HAD IT WITH THIS FORUM.

I just tried Mikes suggestion, I put the iron in the pond, and I now have 15 poached carp.......

[Ron Miel]

No techno babble at all here. Just a plain English endorsement from somebody who uses the stuff, and for my money at least, is somebody who knows his way around a motor as well as most:

"At your service: is it worth fitting an engine pre-heater to a diesel?

Quentin Willson, sundaymirror.co.uk 12/10/2008

Chris Young and his wife from Wigan run two diesels and want to know if there's any way of getting the heater to warm up more quickly. Sometimes it takes 10 minutes before the engine gets warm and the interior heats up. Is it worth fitting an engine pre-heater?

Quentin Says: Diesels take a lot longer than petrol engines to warm up because they work on compression rather than combustion. But there's a simple fix. Buy yourself a bottle of MotorMAX Cooling System Additive, which you pour into the radiator. It'll reduce your warm-up time by 40 per cent. I've used the stuff in a Merc 190D for years, and it really does what it says. Works on petrol engines too. More at http://www.motormax.eu"

http://www.mirror.co.uk/advice-old/moto ... -20797596/

[stilldesperate]

Is that Quentin the dodgy car dealer?

He'd be a good one to ask about converting speedo's from KPH to MPH

SD

[Ron Miel]

The FAQs at http://motormax.eu/index.php?option=com ... &Itemid=41 deal with the doubts raised in this thread. There are also several quantified testimonials from users other than Quentin Wilson.

[Ron Miel]

There's a very interesting MotorMax video demo here http://www.firefreezemotormax.com/ - click the scrolling banner at the top. Be interesting to hear the no sayer's response.

....also a slew of further testimonials, many from the racing world.

[stilldesperate]

Lots of positives there, unfortunately all on sites with a vested interest in promoting the product.
I'm not for or against the stuff, if it works, great, go for it.

SD

[karlos]

enough horse cr#p.

The only reason why I posted was this might be rebadged or what ever but is basically is WATER WETTER as advertsied in motorsports direct catalogs, developed for racing that was my point. (AN INHIBITOR to add to pure water race engines, that will also do something to antifreeze mix to make it run cooler)

There are addatives in DEMON TWEEKS MOTORSPORT for everything even diesels, I wouldnt recommend them either (modifying oil to have no friction etc.-which in certain engines in the past has made clutches slip)

The people who make the stuff we all use could put additional ingrediants in and choose not to.

My point was Which SOME still seem confused about these BONGO's ARE NOT RACING CARS so stick with standard methods - WHICH HAS ACTUALLY BEEN MY POINT IN ALL MY POSTS its the rest of you trying to improve the original spec of well reasearched methods starting with tyre pressures,tyre types,coolant enhancers. Its a road car/van LEAVE IT ALONE -if it's not broke.....

Why dont you all get shares at demon tweeks and chuck every thing in every tank and do every upgrade possible, let us know if your engines lasts! or actually buy a race car if you want to make changes like these (oh I have)

SORRY CALL ME A SCEPTIC- I put faith in the companys that have millions/billions to spend on developing oil and coolant -enough not to try to better it!

I run PURE not Tap water on a race car because it DOES cool better for what ever reason -yes some add inhibitors but it does not aid cooling.


I went a bit mad on an explination that some one else gave me - that method clearly works for what ever reason.

who ever wants to kill the cat with anti freeze - try pure water (that is not tap water-) destilled or de-ionised, I here the latter will have the same effect which was what I was talking about.

Oil and coolant does the same job if it's in a bongo or a supercar - is it some sort of jealousy thing that some people think in a bongo everything works different. I have undertaken non specific training from the ground up -oil cools, lubricates and seals that kind of thing.

Thats all I have to say -If you dont get my angle which is simple (and I appreciate every one is entitled to there own opinion)then perhaps your just not willing too.

AND thats not to say do not use it, it will possibley do what you want just be careful - It might do things you dont want and perhaps do not notice as well.

Im off to paris early tommorrow so have a nice weekend!

Check out/google-Scott mansell-if you have time this is the type of people I'm in contact with.do not try contact him -I'm probably the only person involved with these type of people that gets involved with forums like this.

[Ron Miel]

Lots of positives there, unfortunately all on sites with a vested interest in promoting the product.
I'm not for or against the stuff, if it works, great, go for it.

SD

Not entirely on vested interested sites. Quentin Wilson, dodgy motor dealer or not, was writing in the Daily Mirror, not a vested interest site unless MotorMax is doing a lot of advertising there. The testimonials are from third parties, with full contact details shown. The video demo, also on a 3rd party site, is a Tommy Cooper (or an Arthur Askey for those of us of a certain age) - "before your very eyes!"

As apole has pointed out in a PM to me, there's a particular potential benefit for LPG converted engines - faster LPG vaporiser temperature rise after start up, and therefore quicker attainment of LPG operation. None of the reduced running temperatures referenced in the testimonials are outside the operating range of my LPG system, so I will give it a whirl. Should also reduce noise and electrical load by running the scavenger fan, and the aircon compressor, less often.

Reversing your positive recommended approach SD, if it doesn't work, I'll take it out again - but trying it's the only way we'll find out for sure. It's chemical free and ph neutral, so I'm really not too worried about corrosive effects or adverse interactions.

[Ron Miel]

......Which makes it a puzzle why racing drivers should prefer plain water....

Don't know about here Mike but some of the testimonials at http://www.firefreezemotormax.com suggest that only water (and now ph neutral biodegradable MotorMax) is allowed on US car racing tracks, due to potentially adverse effects, including safety considerations, if anti-freeze and/or other coolant additives are accidentally released onto usually asphalt track surfaces.

[Ron Miel]

....MIKE you dont need to over complecate things with techno babble, about thermal efficancy!

Such a rude young man - and so much babble, techno and otherwise, from him

enough horse cr#p........

..........this is the type of people I'm in contact with.do not try contact him -I'm probably the only person involved with these type of people that gets involved with forums like this.

1.) I rest my case.

2.) How does he know he's the only one? There could well be others, laughing at him.

3.) It's offensive, and I do not appreciate, being told that reasoned discussion by members of this forum, myself included, is "horse crap". Does anybody agree that karlos would be well advised to spend time studying the self effacing, good humoured and well mannered public faces of the stars of the UK racing world, Messrs Hamilton and Button - before treating us to any more of his august involvment "with forums like this" - presumably meaning the lower orders?

Otherwise, can moderators please guide him into moderation?

"I thang you" as Arthur Askey also used to say.

[haydn callow]

Hi there,

Having a coolant pipe changed this week and whilst I'm at it a new thermostat put in, along with fresh coolant. No overheating issues but as it's being drained down for the new pipe I may as well get it all done at the same time.

I've found an additive that looks interesting. Trouble is I have a feeling it won't arrive in time for the work this week.

The enhancer is just under 1 litre, I could suck out this amount from the header tank and add the enhancer but my question is will this then circulate around the engine or just stay in the header tank.

If that is the case, what is the best and least disruptive way to add this, I'd prefer not to have to do a full bleed, I can do it and have done before but to do it properly takes an hour.

Any advise would be great, not worth risking an overheat by cutting corners though !!

Andy

How did this simple question degenerate into all this hassle ????
It was answered and accepted "yonks" ago

[STANIMA]

enough horse cr#p.

The only reason why I posted was this might be rebadged or what ever but is basically is WATER WETTER as advertsied in motorsports direct catalogs, developed for racing that was my point. (AN INHIBITOR to add to pure water race engines, that will also do something to antifreeze mix to make it run cooler)

There are addatives in DEMON TWEEKS MOTORSPORT for everything even diesels, I wouldnt recommend them either (modifying oil to have no friction etc.-which in certain engines in the past has made clutches slip)

The people who make the stuff we all use could put additional ingrediants in and choose not to.

My point was Which SOME still seem confused about these BONGO's ARE NOT RACING CARS so stick with standard methods - WHICH HAS ACTUALLY BEEN MY POINT IN ALL MY POSTS its the rest of you trying to improve the original spec of well reasearched methods starting with tyre pressures,tyre types,coolant enhancers. Its a road car/van LEAVE IT ALONE -if it's not broke.....

Why dont you all get shares at demon tweeks and chuck every thing in every tank and do every upgrade possible, let us know if your engines lasts! or actually buy a race car if you want to make changes like these (oh I have)

SORRY CALL ME A SCEPTIC- I put faith in the companys that have millions/billions to spend on developing oil and coolant -enough not to try to better it!

I run PURE not Tap water on a race car because it DOES cool better for what ever reason -yes some add inhibitors but it does not aid cooling.


I went a bit mad on an explination that some one else gave me - that method clearly works for what ever reason.

who ever wants to kill the cat with anti freeze - try pure water (that is not tap water-) destilled or de-ionised, I here the latter will have the same effect which was what I was talking about.

Oil and coolant does the same job if it's in a bongo or a supercar - is it some sort of jealousy thing that some people think in a bongo everything works different. I have undertaken non specific training from the ground up -oil cools, lubricates and seals that kind of thing.

Thats all I have to say -If you dont get my angle which is simple (and I appreciate every one is entitled to there own opinion)then perhaps your just not willing too.

AND thats not to say do not use it, it will possibley do what you want just be careful - It might do things you dont want and perhaps do not notice as well.

Im off to paris early tommorrow so have a nice weekend!

Check out/google-Scott mansell-if you have time this is the type of people I'm in contact with.do not try contact him -I'm probably the only person involved with these type of people that gets involved with forums like this.

So, waters better wetter in a race car, you take it pure wen you's pushin the bar
I see your cloud a smoke, i ain't gonna choke on the facts that you spillin in the name of a gain of a zero point one of a time frame, if it was me i'd be doin the same
But if a company got the bling & cash to spend on development wid da oil or da coolant, it might even be some pharmaceutical hype they got the power to shelf something better like a cure! The VHS war wid da Betamax taking the real choice from the Mad Max type who want to prolong the life & soul of their only means of outta here
I got backing dancers too who do the diet with the Red Bull, they don't eat convinced they not full, they so frail they doin once a yearly menstrual cycle without the lighting & the make up they look terrible they gotta get a good feed not the blood count of 40 percent proof Spanish Speed, Bro that ain't what you need depriving sleep at the wheel of a high powered velocity, despite the viscosity of your engine chiller no need for me to tell you this could be a killer
My concern 4 U & your state of mind with your lack of down time & it would be a crime if you injured a team mate, bruised a Gendarme or even prang'd the Louvre taking out "la school partay"
your Mansell homie sounds like a swell guy i dunno why he don't comply & back you with as a forum member? what sort of car he drive? will you be together in Paris? I hung with Dre once he not on here either but i do have his cell phone number, but i wont give it out cuz they all be hot for a studio slot & dey want to be in wid da bling at the top of the penthouse & blowin the green out but you can Google him by all means!

Peace.

Stan.

[stilldesperate]

Reversing your positive recommended approach SD, if it doesn't work, I'll take it out again - but trying it's the only way we'll find out for sure. It's chemical free and ph neutral, so I'm really not too worried about corrosive effects or adverse interactions.

Absolutely no need, I'm only playing devils advocate.
If the Bongo cooling system is working properly, (and we're not in a tropical climate, so it shouldn't be too overworked), and the Mazda designers have got their sums right, the engine is working at a specific temperature, and clearances are specified to take the heat produced into account.

Wouldn't reducing the temp by 20 degrees reduce performance by not allowing the clearances to take-up? (If mpg improves, as stated in the adverts, why aren't the manufacturers running cars cooler?)

I'm just an old sceptic (Is that spelled correctly - I don't think I'm septic )

SD

Edit....

Agreed, Haydn, original poster happy with answers given - my hand is held up .....