No reverse

karlos · Post by **karlos** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:18 pm

Any Ideas,

I actually bought it like this, - is not the cable, the arm on the gear box is going into place, but it just rev's like neutral.

Any auto gearbox experts in here? (was thinking of pulling it to bits to see if it's anything obvious) It is going for diagnostics tommorow!

Best place to get a gearbox from? or gearbox rebuild How much ish?

Just had a price for a overhaul - not cost effective

What type of gearbox 96reg 4wd 2.5td have been told there are two different types?

Also what is the weight of a 2.5td 4wd bongo - with a view to tow (towing capacity)

I have seen some really low kg weights displayed the bongo cannot be that light can they? baring in mind a citreon berlingo is either 1700kg or 1900kg,

My nissan primastar was 2.5 tonne and this bongo doesnt look much lighter to me than the nisssan to me?

Karl

Breakers are asking is it cable kick down or electronic, throttle is cable,overdrive on gearstick is a switch so that is electronic? Is the fuel pump fly by wire? I guess it is hardwired judging by age? -I really need some acurate info on this gearbox-

scanner · Post by **scanner** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:21 pm

What year is your Bongo?

Without that nobody can tell.

francophile1947 · Post by **francophile1947** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:25 pm

scanner wrote:What year is your Bongo?

Without that nobody can tell.

"96reg 4wd 2.5td"

- nice to know I'm not the only one who doesn't read all the posts

There is no overdrive on gearstick - it's a hold button.

karlos · Post by **karlos** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:27 pm

Thank you francop,

It is on the last post

It is a n reg I believe a 96 "log book in post"

scanner · Post by **scanner** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:59 pm

In that case SFAIK everything should be mechanical.
Only the very latest Bongos are electronic anything, but I don't think that includes the gearbox though.

crazy uncle gray g · Post by **crazy uncle gray g** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:17 pm

I had the same problem on my bongo early last year, it had all the forward gears working and If I really floored the gas pedal it would attempt to reverse all be it very very very slowly, turned out to be the reverse cluth pack, which after ringing a few places appeared to be around £600 to drop out fix and refit. I instead took a chance on a second hand gearbox for £160 and had that slapped in, luckily it seems to have been a good decision and I still have the spare, (sorry not for sale) Good luck with your search.

karlos · Post by **karlos** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:37 am

I have made a mistake for what it's worth, I found my temp log book slip it is a 01/11/95 manufacture.

I would pay £600 to have it fixed "what was there number" I'm getting much higher prices, but I've also found some second hand gear boxes If I can decided exactly which one it is.

Scanner you say it's all mechanical and I agree the gearbox inturnals arem but the fact the hold button is electrical and there are other plugs and sensors around it? I was lookling at a auto box explination and apperently there is usually some sort of electrical brain that is combined with auto gearbox's. (the breakers asked is it electrial kick down or cable) I know form other equipment related equipment there could be a sensor on the throttle postion when it is engauged hard of fully it may push/pull a switch that could trigger this brain?

Ideally I just want some one who can tell me the gearbox is the right one for my van. It is going in today to be checked out. I might try and change the gearbox my self, a little daunted because it is an auto with that tranfer box bolted to it.

No put off though think it is a great vehicle.

Any knowledge able reputable suppliers? I noticed some on this site?

karl

scanner · Post by **scanner** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:32 am

Yes there is a throttle position sensor on the engine and yes that may well be how kick down is triggered - I'd forgotten about that.

BUT so far as I know there is only one Bongo Autobox, unless you should be so lucky as to find a very late bongo in a breakers.

Member "dandywarhol" is the expert on such matters, so it could be worth PM'ing him for advice.

bigdaddycain · Post by **bigdaddycain** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:08 pm

AFAIK you'd be ok (fingers crossed) with a second hand 4wd autobox...I'm not 100% certain that it matters if it's a 2wd or 4wd variant, it depends on how the driveshaft(s) are attached. I think Mike at Wheelquick has a couple of boxes, pm me for his contact details.

scanner · Post by **scanner** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:26 pm

bigdaddycain wrote:AFAIK you'd be ok (fingers crossed) with a second hand 4wd autobox...I'm not 100% certain that it matters if it's a 2wd or 4wd variant, it depends on how the driveshaft(s) are attached. I think Mike at Wheelquick has a couple of boxes, pm me for his contact details.

I thought the difference was just the fitting of a transfer box to 4WDs.

bigdaddycain · Post by **bigdaddycain** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:45 pm

I meant where the actual propshafts enter the gearbox... Isn't there one fore and aft on the 4wd box, and just the one on a 2wd? I've never really examined the box up close, so i'm not sure.

scanner · Post by **scanner** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 2:17 pm

bigdaddycain wrote:I meant where the actual propshafts enter the gearbox... Isn't there one fore and aft on the 4wd box, and just the one on a 2wd? I've never really examined the box up close, so i'm not sure.

As I said, I thought that was what the transfer box does.
The gearbox drive goes into the transfer box, which then splits the drive to front and rear diffs.

karlos · Post by **karlos** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:12 pm

The gearbox does drive the tranfer box like a conventional rwd, the transfer box splits it sending it eventually to the front and rear.

Any way just got diagnositic report - talk about money for old rope -

If it was electrical fault you would nt lose reverse so it must be inturnal,(obviously they could have told me that on the phone)

This company wanted to charged me crazy money to fully rebuild the box which is viable as long as every thing else is top notch,

hopefully I have a company that might supply me a box and possibley fit for a reasonable cost - obviously the gamble is, How long will it last. Aparently my fluid level and condition was good so should not have failed.

dandywarhol · Post by **dandywarhol** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:02 pm

Kickdown is triggered by the throttle position sensor on the pump. I've never heard of a Bongo 'box with a cable kickdown. Theres info on the boxes in the member's factsheets

There are 2 types of Bongo autobox but yours is the early one.

Same box is fitted to TX taxis I'm told

Reverse clutch pack usually also affects top gear too. Does yours work in all forward gears including lockup at around 37 mph on light throttle when warmrd up?

Does the oil smell burnt?

karlos · Post by **karlos** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:22 pm

My bongo works in all the forward gears does every thing it should, cold warm everything - just absolutely no reverse at all.

The transmission people who checked it reacon the fluid level and condition is ok. Thats not to say the last owner didnt change it to see if that sorted it - I got the bongo with this problem "no reverse".(I know the dirty oil would turn the clean fluid dirty to. Not checked it my self.-

Reacon it's a new tranny - I will keep on top of fluid levels/condtion closely as I will tow-

If any one knows of resonable price, reputable businesses who might have a box and fit - I am waiting to hear back from some one, fingers crossed as it sound's good.

I have a budget and I want it doing a.s.a.p before the cost of living eats into it.

karl

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