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Air Suspension

Post by Dora the Explorer » Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:02 pm

This is justa query, and hopefully someone will be able to guide me in the right direction.

I have a Monroe air suspension unit fitted to my Bongo, which I can control inside the van. However my rear off side shock has a really bad leak, and I'd like to know if I have to buy new shocks, or can I get these repaired. I'm having to pump the suspension up every time I go out, and when the Bongo is laiden up I have to pump it up whilst I'm driving along.

I'd llike to keep with the same system, as it's very handy when coming back from France with boxes and boxes of wine!!

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Re: Air Suspension

Post by francophile1947 » Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:20 pm

Sorry, I've no idea about Monroe shocks but it sounds as if you should get it sorted quickly. A heavily loaded vehicle with a collapsed corner could make for very interesting handling :shock:
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Re: Air Suspension

Post by Bob » Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:07 pm

Can you contact the suplier/fitter. Otherwise the manufacturer probably has a web site.

This is a quality product, so I guess a repair is quite possible, good luck.
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Re: Air Suspension

Post by helen&tony » Sat Sep 27, 2008 6:15 am

Hi
I've just been looking around a few websites relating to Monroe shockers....as usual....no listing for a Bongo.
I'd like to get some replacement shocks and front legs....preferably gas units, and progressive springs, but nobody seems to supply them, and as I obviously can't try the Japanese suppliers, I'm getting no luck....has anyone got any ideas?
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Re: Air Suspension

Post by The Great Pretender » Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:08 am

helen&tony wrote:Hi
I've just been looking around a few websites relating to Monroe shockers....as usual....no listing for a Bongo.
I'd like to get some replacement shocks and front legs....preferably gas units, and progressive springs, but nobody seems to supply them, and as I obviously can't try the Japanese suppliers, I'm getting no luck....has anyone got any ideas?
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Why, and why progressive? Im not a fan of rising rate suspension. Do you know how to work out the wheel frequency in cycles per minute as that will tell you how stiff your suspension is?
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Re: Air Suspension

Post by helen&tony » Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:47 am

Hi TGP
I would agree with you on the subject or springs , normally, as most of Europe has roads. What Bulgaria has , can in no way be described as roads. It is the only country in Europe to have no motorways....there are 6 started, but the millions of pounds that Europe has put into road building and improvement , have been siphoned off by organised crime....that is to say the Government . All government and local government officers have links to organised crime....that's how they launder the stolen money....anyway, back on topic, if you look at the way a road is constructed , i.e. a cross-sectional diagram, the Bulgarian roads are totally different.....the lazy beggars cut out many of the stages, and merely tip some stones down, and cover them with asphalt , consequently the road surface cracks, and the road surface assumes a rippled texture. In winter, they clear the snow by dragging steel plates across the road surface behind some of the biggest tractors you have seen. The surface, thus abraded, allows water in, which freezes, expands, and the surface is then useless as it crumbles away.
The result of road degradation, is the formation of totally unimaginable potholes....some of which can accept both wheels of a modern articulated lorry in the same hole. This results in a driving style totally un- seen in other countries....you just drive on any side of the road, namely the side which has the least craters. The craters are just called holes over here, as that is EXACTLY what they are, and the Bulgarian word for hole is pronounced DOOPKIE....How very appropriate, as the American slang for the 2" mortar used in Vietnam was a "Doop", as that is the sound they make when fired. Tony has lived and worked in a war zone (the West Bank), and he says the craters in the road over here are just like those left by mortar fire......except they repair them , and Bulgaria leaves them.
I go into detail, as I am furious about the roads....along with most normal Bulgarians
Now... Progressive springs....As we know, when driving, hitting a small bump causes enormous acceleration upwards in the wheel, and this inertia is absorbed by the spring compressing, and the force is then dissipated by the spring pushing the wheel back down with the energy stored during the upward compression....to stop the spring bouncing, this is controlled by dampers.
The above is normal under road conditions.....for Bulgaria, think again....you try to avoid the pot-holes, but it is sometimes inevitable that you hit one. The suspension CAN bottom out on anything but an off-road vehicle equipped with long-travel suspension . Progressive springs can SOMETIMES overcome these forces, as when they compress, the further the wheels travel upwards, the stiffer the springs get, giving a good ride when they are using the softer portion of their travel, and absorbing more force at the harder end of the scale.
I'll lastly end with one tale to illustrate the nature of the Bulgarian travel route (it is an insult to roads to call them roads).
Whilst travelling through Sofia (The Bulgarian Capital of sleaze), and trying hard to breathe , as the whole city stinks in winter of the cheap fuel burnt on the fires, I didn't see one of the potholes, as it was in the shade....the street light wasn't working (quite normal)....I hit this mother of a crater at around 40 KPH...(25MPH)...i heard an immense bang as the front suspension bottomed out, and a second one as it hit the far side of the crater....the third bang was the Bongo returning to ground, having been catapulted at least a foot in the air. :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
Don't mind me criticising Sofia.....most Bulgarians do as well.!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Air Suspension

Post by lev8 » Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:41 am

Hi, I fitted Monroe Gas Shockers to the rear of my Bongo in June, so far so good. I got the heavy duty model because I sometimes load up and the original shocks died in my first trip. Go to the monroe european site http://www.taec.nl/monroe/ and search for Mazda commercial, E series, 84-97, single rear wheel. Not sure about the front shocks.

I also fitted air bags to the springs, as I was not sure whether the springs needed help with the load. Anyway It rides great now and I can adjust the height of either side or both and it doesn't bottom out anymore.

Last time I tried reconditioned shocks it was a waste of money, you need two equal and effective shocks for safe driving.
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Re: Air Suspension

Post by helen&tony » Sun Sep 28, 2008 9:21 am

Hi
Thanks for that, lev8....handy, as we have rellies in Holland
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Re: Air Suspension

Post by teenmal » Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:40 am

Hi Helen,it would be interesting to know what they charge for road tax/road fund or whatever they call it.??
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Re: Air Suspension

Post by helen&tony » Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:14 am

Hi
They charge about 35 quid a year road tax!!!!....but the EU has poured millions of euros into road repairs....any it mysteriously disappears!! :roll: :roll: .....that funding has been stopped until Bulgaria has done something about corruption!!
When you see hippopotami entering the Olympic figure skating competitions, that is when corruption will have ceased :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Air Suspension

Post by trevd01 » Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:29 pm

lev8 wrote:Hi, I fitted Monroe Gas Shockers to the rear of my Bongo in June, so far so good. I got the heavy duty model because I sometimes load up and the original shocks died in my first trip. Go to the monroe european site http://www.taec.nl/monroe/ and search for Mazda commercial, E series, 84-97, single rear wheel.
Maybe somebody should add this to the compatible parts database?

The Mazda E Series is a completely different van (and was imported to the UK) , and if I'm not mistaken there used to be a Bedford/Vauxhall badged version. So if the shockers are the same they may be cheaper out of a GM parts bin?

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Re: Air Suspension

Post by Dora the Explorer » Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:34 pm

Thanks everyone for all your great advice & guidance. I have contacted Monroe Europe, but thay can't help. Have seen some of the air pumps for sale on USA Ebay, may try and see if I can get the shocks from there!
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Re: Air Suspension

Post by scanner » Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:34 pm

trevd01 wrote:
lev8 wrote:Hi, I fitted Monroe Gas Shockers to the rear of my Bongo in June, so far so good. I got the heavy duty model because I sometimes load up and the original shocks died in my first trip. Go to the monroe european site http://www.taec.nl/monroe/ and search for Mazda commercial, E series, 84-97, single rear wheel.
Maybe somebody should add this to the compatible parts database?

The Mazda E Series is a completely different van (and was imported to the UK) , and if I'm not mistaken there used to be a Bedford/Vauxhall badged version. So if the shockers are the same they may be cheaper out of a GM parts bin?

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The Bedford one was a re-badged Isuzu, the even smaller one was (is?) a re-badged Suzuki.

(I live next to a Vauxhall main dealer.)
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Re: Air Suspension

Post by trevd01 » Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:39 pm

scanner wrote: Image
The Bedford one was a re-badged Isuzu, the even smaller one was (is?) a re-badged Suzuki.

(I live next to a Vauxhall main dealer.)[/quote]

Ah yes, Bedford Midi/ Isuzu WFR

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...well you see what I mean - looks similar
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