Tracking on 2wd

manners · Post by **manners** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:42 pm

As above does anybody know what the toe in should be? Checked the fact sheet but it doesn't say what model the settings are for.

cheers manners

Ralph · Post by **Ralph** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:13 pm

I have not seen any info but usually
a 4wd will toe out and 2wd toe in.

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:22 pm

Had this sent to me recenrtl thought it might be of use

Jake
Mike at Wheelquick should have all the info he needs. If you go elsewhere this info gleaned from the Bongo Service Manual should help.

FRONT WHEEL ALIGNMENT

STANDARD VALUE

Inner side 39° ± 2°
Outer side 35° ± 2°

ADJUSTMENT

Difference between left and right (ball joints) - lengths 3mm or less

Tightening Torque 68.6-98.0 N/M (7.0-10.0 Kgf/m)

CASTER AND CAMBER

Camber Angle Standard Value 0°05' ± 1°
Caster Angle Standard Value 4°30' ± 1°

Tightening Torque 236-314 N/M (24-32 Kgf/m)

ADJUSTMENT

Note Caster wheels cannot be adjusted
The Camber adjustable range is 47'

Tightening Torque 151-189 N/M (15.3-19.3 Kgf/m)

TOTAL TOE-IN

Standard value 1-7mm

Tightening Torque 68.6-98.0 N/M (7.0-10.0 Kgf/m)

SIDE SLIP

Standard Value IN - 5mm OUT - 5MM

manners · Post by **manners** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:55 pm

Cheers so i take it the toe in is 1.7mm as per fact sheet?

dandywarhol · Post by **dandywarhol** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:22 pm

Nope, the tolerance is from 1mm to 7mm toe in

ford tinny · Post by **ford tinny** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:30 pm

Hello,
I have set my wheel alingment to parallel when i replaced track rod ends, tyres wearing straight as as dye.
John

manners · Post by **manners** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:00 am

It definitely says on the fact sheet 1.7mm? Fordtinny is yours 2 or 4wd?

ford tinny · Post by **ford tinny** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:09 am

Hello,
Mine's 2wd
John

missfixit70 · Post by **missfixit70** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:16 am

Mine's a 2wd & they were set parallel, seem to be wearing ok, but after spotting the 1.7mm figure a month or 2 back , I wondered whether I should be changing the setting

really confused now

dandywarhol · Post by **dandywarhol** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:19 am

Which would you prefer to believe - the rewritten factsheet or the English version of the Japanese Factory Manual

When the manufacturer gives toe in linear measurements you will get a reasonable tolerance due to the overall diameter of the tyre - are you telling me you're going to measure it to 1.7mm over a diameter of 635mm accurately??

I'd go for the Factory Manual setting personally and set it midway between 1 and 7mm - 3.5mm toe in - mine have done around 10,000 miles at that setting and aren't scrubbed, but hey, what's a couple of tyres worth?

I'll come back with the answer in degrees tomorrow if you want to set in on turntables (which are more accurate for setting the toe out on turns)

missfixit70 · Post by **missfixit70** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:30 am

I thought the factsheet was taken from the English version of the Japanese manual? Hence my concern, this is the first time have seen the 1 to 7mm figure mentioned.

dandywarhol · Post by **dandywarhol** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:45 am

I think it is taken from the manual Kirsty - but rewritten...........
the actual figure printed in the Workshop Manual is:

Standard Value -1 ~ 7mm

Now, whether that reads MINUS1 ~ 7mm, or - 1 ~7mm is up for debate

MINUS means toe OUT in geometry terms, PLUS denotes toe IN.............so it could be construed to be from MINUS 1mm to PLUS 7mm giving a total tolerance of 8mm making 3mm toe in the mid dimension - it's still more toe in than 1.7.

Really confused now

I'm changing my take on looking at the manual again that the tolerance is between 1mm toe out to 7mm toe in

Now, to add further interest to the debate - if the vans been lowered dramatically (40+ mm) then the camber angle will change and the toe value should be reset towards toe out because the change to negative camber will try to force the wheels to toe in more than usual.

Worth noting for the blingers out there who value their prize boots

missfixit70 · Post by **missfixit70** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:50 am

Another translation typo then

Thought it was a wierd figure.
So by having them set parallel it is within those parameters, but may be better aiming more toward 3mm toe in?

dandywarhol · Post by **dandywarhol** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:57 am

I now think I misread the manual thinking the dash sign was a break after the word "Value" and set mine to 3.5 (or the equivalent in degrees on the turntables). It's not going to make a huge difference in reality and thats why the tolerance is pretty big, the wishbone rubber bushes take up a lot of the tolerance as does the steering rack joints. I was just trying to get the point over that the 1.7 figure is wrong IMO

PS, sorry Manners, I forgot my manners back there and began to rant - not a good day at the chalkface - mustn't take it out here

manners · Post by **manners** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:01 am

3.5 it is then