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Vehicle weight and spare wheel advice

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:26 pm
by single malt
Hi all, does anyone know the weight of a 1998 2.0 2wd petrol with an AFT as I was recently turned away from my MOT station as he did not have this info and his decelerometer was away being repaired. I am sure I have seen it somewhere on here but now I can't find it.
Also has anyone got any clever ideas for retaining the spare wheel if I ever decide to have it converted to LPG?

Re: Vehicle weight and spare wheel advice

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:34 pm
by ELZE
Is the wieght not on the log book? If not then do you know where there is a local weighbridge? Any waste transfer station would weigh it for you for a modest fee. Luckily we have one at work but mine is a diesel.

Re: Vehicle weight and spare wheel advice

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:42 pm
by Simon Jones
Your V5 registration will have the official weight. According to this, it should be 1600kg: http://www.allansvehicleservices.co.uk/ ... on*id*val*

Re: Vehicle weight and spare wheel advice

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:08 am
by mikexgough
With a 2wd he wouldn't need a Tapley...he could have tested your brakes on the rollers....A 4wd can be done on rollers...if the tester is "Old School"... :wink:

Re: Vehicle weight and spare wheel advice

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:10 am
by rita
mikexgough wrote:With a 2wd he wouldn't need a Tapley...he could have tested your brakes on the rollers....A 4wd can be done on rollers...if the tester is "Old School"... :wink:
They will probably need the weight of the vehicle for the computer to work out the braking efficiency.New School :)

Cheers.

Re: Vehicle weight and spare wheel advice

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:03 pm
by single malt
Cheers for that guys,can try again now (fingers crossed!!!).

Re: Vehicle weight and spare wheel advice

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:23 pm
by Jaws
rita wrote:
mikexgough wrote:With a 2wd he wouldn't need a Tapley...he could have tested your brakes on the rollers....A 4wd can be done on rollers...if the tester is "Old School"... :wink:
They will probably need the weight of the vehicle for the computer to work out the braking efficiency.New School :)

Cheers.
Just had this debate with my tester. He's done the previous two tests but this time asked for the weight to calculate braking efficiency. The V5 shows 2310kg Gross Weight (diesel 4WD auto) but the lower figure quoted above (1600kg) will be the Dry weight. We had a chat about it and he tried a couple of differnt weights to see which resulted in the best braking efficiency outcome i.e. ensured a 'Pass' for the record.

As he pointed out, the brakes had locked each set of wheels on the rollers without any problem and that's about as much as they can do :lol:

Re: Vehicle weight and spare wheel advice

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:44 pm
by Simon Jones
The weights quoted came from Allans Vehicle Services webite.

2 litre petrol:
Kerb weight kg: 1600 Kg
No gross weight given


2.5 diesel AFT:
Kerb weight: 2wd: 1770kg / 4wd: 1790kg
Gross weight: 2260kg

Re: Vehicle weight and spare wheel advice

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:58 pm
by single malt
I didn't think that the weight mattered, as long as it locks up the rollers then it must be efficient????
The lad I use is always spot on, all I can think is that he thought it was a 4x4 and his decelerometer was away for repair so he didn't test it.
I checked my V5 and there is no mention of any weight on it anywhere.
Have took it off the road for a bit now whilst I replace the camshaft oil seal, does anyone know the torque settings for the cam sprocket and tensioner bolts by any chance?

Re: Vehicle weight and spare wheel advice

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:12 pm
by Jaws
Yup. Kerb Weight assumes no passengers or load, no fuel, coolant, oils or any other liquid. Dry Weight in other words.

Gross Weight is intended to reflect vehicle fully fuelled etc and fully loaded i.e. eight passengers, ready to go.

Naturally the actual weight will be dependant on e.g. how many accessories/kitchens you have fitted, or how many Easter eggs you have eaten :lol:

2260kg sounds fair to me: I only quote what is on my particular V5 (2310kg). The weight now seems to be needed to complete the latest version of the MOT, presumably to give a "Braking Efficiency Score" because some Eurocrat thought it was a good idea :roll:

Re: Vehicle weight and spare wheel advice

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:09 am
by Ian
Here's an extract from the Summer 2011 club newsletter:

It would appear that there are 3 weights that get quoted when referring to the Bongo.

1) Unladen weight. This is the weight of the vehicle when it leaves the factory. The weights are quoted in the back of the Owner’s Manual and vary according to the model. The weight varies from 1540 kg for a 2 litre petrol tin-top to 1860 kg for a 4WD diesel with an elevating roof.
2) Kerb weight. This is the unladen weight, plus the weight of any kitchen units, the weight of a full tank of fuel (65 kg) and 75 kg (notional weight of driver).
3) Gross vehicle weight (GVW).....this is the maximum allowable weight of a road vehicle when fully loaded. It includes the Kerb Weight, a full complement of passengers, plus cargo. I have seen this quoted as 2260 kg but can not find the primary source of this information. For vehicles manufactured to EU specification, the GVW is stated by the manufacturer. But for vehicles made for the Japanese home market (like Bongos) there is no official GVW.

Re: Vehicle weight and spare wheel advice

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:17 am
by Doone
When Al used to import vehicles from Japan, they had what's known as a 'de-reg' certificate. This had several 'official' weights on it and these figures are used to register the import with DVLA. If anyone has a de-reg certificate for a 2.0l they could check if a GVW figure is shown on it.