Bongo Fury

Bought my Bongo in April and it's been relatively trouble free...1999 S plate old model 2.5 diesel.A couple of times during the summer it would cut out as I took my foot of the accelerator approaching junctions/roundabouts and take a bit of persuading to start again.These were isolated incidents and I didn't have any more until very recently when it has got a whole lot worse.When things are ok, the rev counter comes back to just above the second line between 0 and 1000 revs when approaching junctions with foot of the pedal.When things are not ok, the revs are just below this line and it jumps about a bit before stalling.One day in particular it was really bad and whilst driving with my foot on the accelerator the revs would just come back and the engine stalled a few times on the open road.I've replaced the fuel filter this week but it has not cured the problem.Don't fancy booking it into a garage with an intermittent fault. Does anyone know of any mechanics in the central scotland area who can diagnose faults on these diesel engines??

This is not uncommon Do a search for "stalling" and you'll come up with loads of info to read through

Try these guys...... GBL Motors of 16 Duff Street Mews, Edinburgh EH11 2HS tel. 0131 3378210. Ask for George senior. Not used them myself but they come recommended as knowing their bongos...

All the best

David

Sounds the same as i had when I picked mine up, on the drive back same symptoms as you, turned out to be diesel pump seal. I can give you the name of the garage who sorted it if you want more specific details.

They fitted a clear pipe from a separate temporary diesel can and you could see the fuel flow slow and full of bubbles, once replaced the fuel shot up the pipe like a rat up a drainpipe!

Guys here suggested it and they were spot on!
Jim

UPDATE:

Tried numerous local garages including the local Mazda dealership and no one would attempt the job.Eventually broke down and the AA approved repairer also refused to undertake the work so the van was transported to McAllisters diesel specialists in Cumbernauld where it's been since Friday.Just phoned them and the pump had numerous leaking seals so has been overhauled and will be refitted later today/tomorrow.£705 plus VAT !!! Ouch If it stalls again after this I may commit harri-karri

GOMEZ wrote:UPDATE:

Tried numerous local garages including the local Mazda dealership and no one would attempt the job.Eventually broke down and the AA approved repairer also refused to undertake the work so the van was transported to McAllisters diesel specialists in Cumbernauld where it's been since Friday.Just phoned them and the pump had numerous leaking seals so has been overhauled and will be refitted later today/tomorrow.£705 plus VAT !!! Ouch If it stalls again after this I may commit harri-karri

Ouch - I'm sure you can buy a new pump at Wheelquick for (less than?) that price. Alternatively a rebuild should be cheaper than that price (Adrian at JapImports in Bury was going to get mine done but in the end it didn't need it, but I think he said around £250). Also, from old threads, this cutting out thing often turned out to be something inexpensive. If the Bongo runs properly after the work they've done, then I guess draw a line, move on, and enjoy Bongoing. But if it still has a problem........I'd be down on them with some acid questioning

note your car is a 99, is it the later type pump with electronics? if so then that price is about right for a full rebuild as they (should) replace the sensors etc.
From your description first port of call should have been the tank breather, and to try running the car without the filler cap in

Julian

321Away wrote:note your car is a 99, is it the later type pump with electronics? if so then that price is about right for a full rebuild as they (should) replace the sensors etc.
From your description first port of call should have been the tank breather, and to try running the car without the filler cap in

Julian

it's the old model.the tank breather was checked at my local garage when the filter was replaced.Tried the filler cap off but still the same. A number of mechanics looked at it and could see that the pump was leaking.I had hoped it was just the 'front seal' as suggested by Ian Taylor who sold me the van and others on the forum.However these guys have tested the pump and there was other seals gone hence the pump overhaul.It does seem a tad steep but I was left with few options, and if the pump was gubbed it needed fixing and they are the guys every other garage in the area sends them to

GOMEZ wrote:

321Away wrote:note your car is a 99, is it the later type pump with electronics? if so then that price is about right for a full rebuild as they (should) replace the sensors etc.
From your description first port of call should have been the tank breather, and to try running the car without the filler cap in

Julian

it's the old model.the tank breather was checked at my local garage when the filter was replaced.Tried the filler cap off but still the same. A number of mechanics looked at it and could see that the pump was leaking.I had hoped it was just the 'front seal' as suggested by Ian Taylor who sold me the van and others on the forum.However these guys have tested the pump and there was other seals gone hence the pump overhaul.It does seem a tad steep but I was left with few options, and if the pump was gubbed it needed fixing and they are the guys every other garage in the area sends them to

I guess you are right. By the time you'd tried to get it anywhere else the fuel costs and hassle would have amounted to the same anyway. Also Wheelquicks price was pump only, not labour so, overall you've done the best you can. Lets hope its fixed and stays fixed (I assume it was out of Ian's Taylors warranty BTW?)

Julian - there have always been rumours around here that pump replacement / fix on later models might run into £thousands and result in vehicle being uneconomical to repair. Are these rumours exaggerated do you think?

mikeonb4c wrote:

GOMEZ wrote:

321Away wrote:note your car is a 99, is it the later type pump with electronics? if so then that price is about right for a full rebuild as they (should) replace the sensors etc.
From your description first port of call should have been the tank breather, and to try running the car without the filler cap in

Julian

it's the old model.the tank breather was checked at my local garage when the filter was replaced.Tried the filler cap off but still the same. A number of mechanics looked at it and could see that the pump was leaking.I had hoped it was just the 'front seal' as suggested by Ian Taylor who sold me the van and others on the forum.However these guys have tested the pump and there was other seals gone hence the pump overhaul.It does seem a tad steep but I was left with few options, and if the pump was gubbed it needed fixing and they are the guys every other garage in the area sends them to

I guess you are right. By the time you'd tried to get it anywhere else the fuel costs and hassle would have amounted to the same anyway. Also Wheelquicks price was pump only, not labour so, overall you've done the best you can. Lets hope its fixed and stays fixed (I assume it was out of Ian's Taylors warranty BTW?)

Julian - there have always been rumours around here that pump replacement / fix on later models might run into £thousands and result in vehicle being uneconomical to repair. Are these rumours exaggerated do you think?

Ian gave me a 3 year warranty with the van but unfortunately the garage overhauled the pump before I got agreement from the warranty people so there not interested.I thought it was just going to be the external seals which wouldn't have been covered.A bad day all round

mikeonb4c wrote:

GOMEZ wrote:

321Away wrote:note your car is a 99, is it the later type pump with electronics? if so then that price is about right for a full rebuild as they (should) replace the sensors etc.
From your description first port of call should have been the tank breather, and to try running the car without the filler cap in

Julian

it's the old model.the tank breather was checked at my local garage when the filter was replaced.Tried the filler cap off but still the same. A number of mechanics looked at it and could see that the pump was leaking.I had hoped it was just the 'front seal' as suggested by Ian Taylor who sold me the van and others on the forum.However these guys have tested the pump and there was other seals gone hence the pump overhaul.It does seem a tad steep but I was left with few options, and if the pump was gubbed it needed fixing and they are the guys every other garage in the area sends them to

I guess you are right. By the time you'd tried to get it anywhere else the fuel costs and hassle would have amounted to the same anyway. Also Wheelquicks price was pump only, not labour so, overall you've done the best you can. Lets hope its fixed and stays fixed (I assume it was out of Ian's Taylors warranty BTW?)

Julian - there have always been rumours around here that pump replacement / fix on later models might run into £thousands and result in vehicle being uneconomical to repair. Are these rumours exaggerated do you think?

Hi,you wont get much change from £4000.00 for a New pump.

GOMEZ wrote:Bought my Bongo in April and it's been relatively trouble free...1999 S plate old model 2.5 diesel.A couple of times during the summer it would cut out as I took my foot of the accelerator approaching junctions/roundabouts and take a bit of persuading to start again.These were isolated incidents and I didn't have any more until very recently when it has got a whole lot worse.When things are ok, the rev counter comes back to just above the second line between 0 and 1000 revs when approaching junctions with foot of the pedal.When things are not ok, the revs are just below this line and it jumps about a bit before stalling.One day in particular it was really bad and whilst driving with my foot on the accelerator the revs would just come back and the engine stalled a few times on the open road.I've replaced the fuel filter this week but it has not cured the problem.Don't fancy booking it into a garage with an intermittent fault. Does anyone know of any mechanics in the central scotland area who can diagnose faults on these diesel engines??

Mine did exactly this a few weeks ago. A few mornings it took a while turning over before firing, and then eventually began stalling at low revs (slowing down at junctions, roundabouts, traffic lights, etc) until eventually stalled and wouldn't start.
Called the AA out, and he found that the primer on the fuel pump was leaking diesel and sucking in air, hence the cutting out.
Fitted another one as a temp fix and it was fine. Will get it sorted properly next month when it has a service.
Probably a bit late now , but just thought I'd mention it anyway.

Cheers

Andrew

ps very impressed with the AA - from initial callout time, they had me going again within an hour, from the middle of the Brecon Beacons!!

Got ma van back today...running great,stalling problem gone.One year/20,000 mile guarantee on the pump.Had a quick look under the seat and I'm sure the pump seems to be sitting at a different angle ?? Can't think how that would be but it sure looks different to before.Anyhow hopefully thats me for a while, another bill like that and it's in a skip !!!

GOMEZ wrote:Got ma van back today...running great,stalling problem gone.One year/20,000 mile guarantee on the pump.Had a quick look under the seat and I'm sure the pump seems to be sitting at a different angle ?? Can't think how that would be but it sure looks different to before.Anyhow hopefully thats me for a while, another bill like that and it's in a skip !!!

Excellent news. If you need a skip, I'll give you my address

Here's to some happy Bongoing

Mine was caused with the old feul tank cap issue, got a universal one now and its fine, ive tried several Bongo fuel caps and they cause the problem ? weird