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TIP: If you are cleaning your front heater matrix

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:23 am
by mikeonb4c
Thought I'd post this for the Bongo knowledge repository.

I dismantled by front heater intake stuff a few weeks back to check and oil the fan motor. I found the heater matrix was black and clogged with strange stuff (growth? mildew?) that could not have been helping airflow at all and might well have explained the smell in the system that required periodic applications of Dettol spray disinfectant.

I picked it all out (well as much as I could, its a bit tricky as there's piping etc. in front of the matrix, and the aluminium fins are v. delicate so you have to be gentle) carefully with a pointed bradawl, hoovering with a pointed attachment and blowing with compressed air at varous times to help dislodge stuff.

I noticed what looked like the decayed remains of fabric among the debris and wondered if this was the remains of a thin fabric that had covered the matrix.

Job done and everything reassembled, the system blows much much better and - though its early days - I think I may have banished the tendency to pongy air. On the other hand, you can hear the air rushing through the matrix in a way you never could before, once the car is doing any forward speed (say 20mph or more). I think, though I can't be sure, the matrix might have had a free breathing fabric in front of it to act as a diffuser for the airflow and thus reduce noise (as well as protect the matrix from ingress of stuff/damage though that doesn't make much sense given that no-one is going to service that area and the material can rot over time, as we've seen).

So if you are doing yours, it might be worth seeing if you can fit a material in front of the matrix. I wondered about a free breathing nylon as being rot free.

Oh and I used some stick on draught excluder foam strip to replace the perished rubber seal where the motor housing mates with the matrix housing. No idea if that made any difference!

8)

Re: TIP: If you are cleaning your front heater matrix

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:23 pm
by jaylee
Or it could just be the remnants of one of the agent Smiths that seemed to plague the air..
I had to scrape a few of my radiator! :wink:

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Re: TIP: If you are cleaning your front heater matrix

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:24 pm
by mikeonb4c
You been up late doin one of your rock n roll gigs jaylee? :lol: :lol: :lol:

PS - I just knew I wouldn't be able to mention the 'M' word without some wise guy tryin' to be smart :lol:
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Re: TIP: If you are cleaning your front heater matrix

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:31 pm
by jaylee
I wish Mike.. I agreed to do a late shift at work.. :roll: The customers tend to all look the same by ten o'clock! :lol:

You set em up, i'll knock em down... :P 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

Re: TIP: If you are cleaning your front heater matrix

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:11 pm
by mikexgough
like this Mike.... http://translate.google.com/translate?p ... ry_state0=

Another Jap website suggests the filter material used in cooker hobs.... Lakeland sell sheets that you can cut to size

Re: TIP: If you are cleaning your front heater matrix

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:18 pm
by missfixit70
I've repaired 4 heater fans now , no material, remnants, or any sign that there is supposed to be a filter of any sort, just loads of crud.

Re: TIP: If you are cleaning your front heater matrix

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:57 pm
by mikeonb4c
missfixit70 wrote:I've repaired 4 heater fans now , no material, remnants, or any sign that there is supposed to be a filter of any sort, just loads of crud.
I'd have said the same, except I fancy I could make out a few tiny fragments of woven fabric (could be remants of something that had all but rotted away - just possibly the damper the system, the more the rot, the more likely it will be one needing a fan overhaul) . And there's the obvious sound of a draft since I did the job.

If I was doing the job again, I would try a piece of easy breathing fabric laid across the matrix, just to see if it (1) made the system quieter and (2) didn't impair the airflow.

I mention these things so owners can make up their own minds. I've no idea if the original ever had a baffle of this sort on it 8)

Re: TIP: If you are cleaning your front heater matrix

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:59 pm
by mikeonb4c
mikexgough wrote:like this Mike.... http://translate.google.com/translate?p ... ry_state0=

Another Jap website suggests the filter material used in cooker hobs.... Lakeland sell sheets that you can cut to size
Thanks for this Mike - can't immediately make out what that link is about but cooker hob filter material sounds promising, if it has the right baffling qualities =D>

Re: TIP: If you are cleaning your front heater matrix

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:10 pm
by mikexgough
oops....... http://translate.googleusercontent.com/ ... 1opUqbbtgg

Should have been that one...

Re: TIP: If you are cleaning your front heater matrix

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:12 pm
by missfixit70
I couldn't find the relevant bit on that link either, have they put the filter over the matrix or at the inlet end of the ducting (I'm thinking maybe held in place between the scoop & inlet to the fan?) so at least it's easy to change/clean?
I think if I were to fit something along these lines I'd put it over a metal mesh former.

Re: TIP: If you are cleaning your front heater matrix

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 5:02 pm
by dandywarhol
mikexgough wrote:like this Mike.... http://translate.google.com/translate?p ... ry_state0=

Another Jap website suggests the filter material used in cooker hobs.... Lakeland sell sheets that you can cut to size
Ahhh..............................so that'll be the cleaning Eakonebaporeta operation 8)

I'd guess southern Japan models are more likely to accumulate crud.

Re: TIP: If you are cleaning your front heater matrix

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 6:13 pm
by mikeonb4c
mikexgough wrote:oops....... http://translate.googleusercontent.com/ ... 1opUqbbtgg

Should have been that one...
Wow - well done Mike, thats a fantastic find. I love the translation, particularly this bit:
When the cycle seems to be striking a bashful shyness here.
Like Kirsty, they don't seem to consider there was ever a baffle there. Hard to know if there ever was and/or if they decay so completely that you'd never know. And maybe the wind noise is simply the 'normal' sound of the system. But it may anyway be worth considering a baffle/filter if only so in future, detritus doesn't get stuck deep in the matrix where it is difficult to remove.

Re: TIP: If you are cleaning your front heater matrix

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:12 pm
by mikexgough
Here is another I found, there is another on the interweb....when I stumble across it

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/ ... DIeKOJzVKg

Here it is.... http://translate.googleusercontent.com/ ... 1XuPZmIRRw

I am sure I have seen another one too....

Re: TIP: If you are cleaning your front heater matrix

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:41 pm
by mikexgough
The other one...... http://translate.googleusercontent.com/ ... Ny8Y4sOCAg

and ..... http://www.lakeland.co.uk/cooker-hood-f ... _7164_7160
Pack A seem to be the ones similar to what our Jap colleagues are using as filters...

Re: TIP: If you are cleaning your front heater matrix

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:16 pm
by mikeonb4c
Excellent research Mike. I do believe we've stumbled across somethign v. intereresting here i.e. where lies the source of the smell many Bongo aircons have. And its interesting they do indeed seem to be experimenting with filters. I suppose a lazy option might be to stuff something 'free breathing' in the air intake entrance, but I like hte idea of closing off the heat exchanger matrix itself with filter material as it should diffuse airflow just before it enters the fins and (maybe) starts up the wooshing sound. It may be though that there is no perfect answer i.e. if you want good airflow, you have to expect more 'whooshing' (its not as though its a serious noise intrusion).