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Starter motor problem?

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:45 pm
by brorabongo
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Earlier on today, it would start after a couple of attempts, but now not at all :(
I've removed the starter, and checked the contacts, and plunger, but not too sure if that is what the problem is. :?

Heres a photo of contacts etc before giving them a wee clean up, which has'nt worked this time. :(

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Thanks to the U-tube vid on removing starter.Image


Cheers.

Re: Starter motor problem?

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:12 pm
by mikeonb4c
Last time I dealt with a starter motor (30+ years ago) you could test it by putting 12v across it on the bench and seeing what happened. Are you saying you've tried that and it makes the same clicking noise on the bench?

Do you need to get new contacts as originally suggested by moonshine and successfully done on several Bongos?

Re: Starter motor problem?

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:21 pm
by brorabongo
Not tried it on the bench, I just striped it, and had a look as I was told that you might notice part of the horse shoe shape contact missing, but I don't think theres a part missing. I'm hoping someone will tell me that contacts look worn.

I have contacts and plunger on order just incase. [-o<

Cheers.

Re: Starter motor problem?

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:52 pm
by mikeonb4c
Good luck - keep us posted. You need it back on road ASAP with all that lot to transport :lol:

Re: Starter motor problem?

Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:10 pm
by brorabongo
Job done!!

I did get it to work yesterday, by using a 30mm socket over the top of the plunger and tapping it hard with a hammer, I did this because the copper ring was bending up the way ( just a touch) and by tapping it back down it made a better contact....I think :?

The new contacts and plunger arrived today (special delivery) and were fitted. The parts were sourced from AUTO ELECTRICAL SUPPLIES (SOUTHAMPTON) LTD, tel 02380211988
they were very helpfull and knew straight away what I was after. Total cost was £24.68 next day delivery, which it was \:D/ ( unusual for the Highlands)

One thing I would say though, is not to use the split ring washer on the input contact, as theres not enough thread for all the fittings. There were not split ring washers with the old contacts anyway.

Does anyone know if the old contact would of came with the recess in the horse shoe shaped part to accept the plunger, as the news ones are level?

Also am I havering when I am saying that it is starting quicker than before? :?

Re: Starter motor problem?

Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:38 pm
by mikeonb4c
Excellent brora. Job done - we hope =D>

Re: Starter motor problem?

Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:08 pm
by dandywarhol
It'll probably spin over faster Donald - therefore start faster.

Re: Starter motor problem?

Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 12:31 am
by brorabongo
mikeonb4c wrote:Excellent brora. Job done - we hope =D>
[-o<
dandywarhol wrote:It'll probably spin over faster Donald - therefore start faster.
8)

Re: Starter motor problem?

Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:08 am
by moonshine
brorabongo wrote:Does anyone know if the old contact would of came with the recess in the horse shoe shaped part to accept the plunger, as the news ones are level?
The recess is simply wear, and is probably the reason you were having starting problems. The plunger was not making firm enough contact due to the worn recesses. Now that it is striking the contacts sooner in its travel, you are getting a good connection.

Re: Starter motor problem?

Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 5:26 pm
by karen
split ring washer - i'm so glad you have said this
afraid as i am not the best with mechanical stuff - i omiited these as well as they seem pointless

your contacts looked the exact same as mine - not bad i suppose after 13 years

i swapped them as well and so far have 100% first time start up - as you say the auto factor at southampton knew their stuff and were very prompt

Re: Starter motor problem?

Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:35 pm
by brorabongo
karen wrote:split ring washer - i'm so glad you have said this
afraid as i am not the best with mechanical stuff - i omiited these as well as they seem pointless

your contacts looked the exact same as mine - not bad i suppose after 13 years

i swapped them as well and so far have 100% first time start up - as you say the auto factor at southampton knew their stuff and were very prompt

B***ly split ring washer!! :lol: I only found that one out when I went to refit the starter with it on, I then thought it would be a good idea to remove the washer in situ... #-o Half hour later after hunting for the rest of washers/nuts etc on the engine cover, I had to removed starter again to re-do connection without the split ring. Still do not know where the new nut went too. :? I ended up using old nut again, same thread thank goodness, just a different size spanner needed. :roll: