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New Radiator Fitted 2 .....Son of new radiator

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 2:25 pm
by helen&tony
Hi
Just by way of information and thanks to those who helped, we've fitted the new radiator, as mentioned, run it, next day cold bled it by removing the degass tank cap and the bleed hose plug, and as Aethelric did, we used a clear container with coolant in, and see-saw-ed it with the engine running for a few moments only. We then went on a 20 Km run. Next day we repeated the cold bleed and a longer run....no bubbles on both occasions, so the first bleed had worked. We went on another run today, and a long one tomorrow. On the assumption that any air still in the system after the first bleed would find it's way to the highest point after a run , namely the head, we cold bled (twice) , to check up. Now, presuming that the system is working as it should with a new radiator, we managed to get the bottom hose warm for the initial bleed, proving that the stat had opened, but on subsequent runs of around 18 Km. in either direction, the TM2 read as normal, increasing quite a bit in 30mph. zones, and through town driving slowly. When first stopped in town, Tony checked the bottom hose....stone cold. After starting in town, while the engine had been just sitting, it obviously got quite hot....started up, and the circulating coolant soon lowered the head temperature on TM2.We returned home, again stone cold bottom hose. A similar length journey today over some very dodgy pot-holed roads where we were driving more erratically, with the engine heating more, and the bottom hose was just comfortably warm.
I post this to show that the discussions on cooling have pretty much said what we had noted regarding the water circulating through the top half of the system until a slight strain is put on the system, when the bottom half cuts in. What is interesting, though, is that the fans for the radiator only function at comparatively lower indicated temperatures when the air con. is on, and they don't operate until much higher temperatures when the air-con is off...obviously to cool the air con. heat exchanger/rad. Perhaps, as some folk have said that they have only heard the radiator fans cut in just before a major overheat, then the system is designed to leave the air con. on all year, and just change the temperature setting (manual air con.). ...Any thoughts?
Cheers
Helen

Re: New Radiator Fitted 2 .....Son of new radiator

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 2:59 pm
by Aethelric
I don't think its water circulating around the top. although there is a steady flow through the header tank. But when the stat starts to open, it only takes a little coolant through the radiator. Quite simply, if the radiator is doing a good job this low flow is very cool by the time it reaches the bottom hose. As the engine comes under more load, the flow goes up so the higher volume coming out is warmer.

I think the fans come on EITHER by the command from the A/C OR from a command from the ECU when the water temperature reaches a pre-set limit.

Anyway Helen it looks like your system is pretty sound. :) I found a broken fan when I changed mine :(

Dave

Re: New Radiator Fitted 2 .....Son of new radiator

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 3:29 pm
by helen&tony
Hi Dave
I hope you managed to find a 2nd. hand fan.....there was one on e-bay a short while ago....haven't looked for a couple of days. I wonder if the pre-set temperature for fan operation is higher when the air-con. is off......that is what i'm thinking at the moment, as I rarely hear mine when the air-con. is off. The bellyfan works O.K., but only on veryhot days over here when you've been for a run, left the vehicle to stand for a while and turn the ignition on....summer last year was 46Deg.C. :shock:
Cheers
Helen

Re: New Radiator Fitted 2 .....Son of new radiator

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 11:57 pm
by The Great Pretender
Glad it is sorted Helen but be carefull the Flat Earth Society will be after you. :lol: You are geting the same results that I did, I know where most of the coolant flows and I am begining to understand where the problems come from. :lol:
PROBLEMS.........................WHAT PROBLEMS :roll: :wink: :lol: