Bongo Fury

Spotted this on a Landrover site.refering to their Tdi engine

Over heated or Blown Engine
It is not un-common for engines to suddenly expire due to loss of coolant or cooling.

Engine is somewhat stressed and uses an alloy head on a steel block. The engine relies heavily on good oil pressure and good cooling.

If the oil pressure or cooling is interrupted or removed for even a short period, the engine will very quickly burn out.

Common reasons for this happening are:

Radiator/heating hoses fail or come off due to improper fitting or hose damage
Serpentine belts breaks, leaving the water pump stationary
Broken or seized Power steering, idler or air-con pulley leading to main belt failure and stationary water pump.
Accumulated sediment in the radiator.
Low cooling fluid level due to negligence or leakage
Incorrectly torqued head.
Incorrect Diesel mixture or timing leading to high Exhaust Gas Temperatures (EGT)
As preventative measures, always ensure the above items are taken care of - never assume anything or try to "just make it home", you will be sorry.

Does this sound familair ?? - no, should it?

It doesn't seem like a good plan to have an alloy head on an iron block in a serious offroad vehicle -- but I guess they all have alloy cylinder heads these days. I used to have some battered old iron-headed 1960s Saab 95s and 96s with Ford V4 engines (our driveway no doubt brought down surrounding house prices). I used to overheat the Saabs on a regular basis and never damaged an engine. Are there any modern cars that are tough enough to survive overheating without damage?

I always loved the look of the Saab 96, but mine never looked this good!
http://www.ruprecht.com/saab_left_rear.jpg

I remember those Saabs when they used the old 3 cylinder 2 stroke engine (later fitted to the East German Wartburg Knight) - they were amazingly successful rally cars with that poxy little lump

nfn wrote:It doesn't seem like a good plan to have an alloy head on an iron block in a serious offroad vehicle -- but I guess they all have alloy cylinder heads these days. I used to have some battered old iron-headed 1960s Saab 95s and 96s with Ford V4 engines (our driveway no doubt brought down surrounding house prices). I used to overheat the Saabs on a regular basis and never damaged an engine. Are there any modern cars that are tough enough to survive overheating without damage?

I always loved the look of the Saab 96, but mine never looked this good!
http://www.ruprecht.com/saab_left_rear.jpg

My V4 was that colour, - it even had a triple choke 2T engine in for a while.

I wish I could get my original Red bullnose one back.

My dear old mum had a Saab 96 V4 from brand new and I used to drive it a lot. Lovely car to drive, until my brother wrote it off for her

I liked driving the old Saabs too -- they somehow made me want to go fast, but were incapable of going especially quickly. I think the successful rally saabs must have had a bit more than 50hp! The Bongo does not make me want to drive fast, and I'm fine with that.

francophile1947 wrote:I remember those Saabs when they used the old 3 cylinder 2 stroke engine (later fitted to the East German Wartburg Knight) - they were amazingly successful rally cars with that poxy little lump

Sorry John a completely different engine only similarity is 3 cylinders.

Don't want to start another errrr........... dispute, but it was far from poxy as Eric Carlson would tell you.

Pure Music

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25eWVSnMM-k

and nothing poxy about this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lJQzrWp ... re=related


It's not what you've got, it's what you do with it.

The last of the V4 Saab factory rally cars had somewhere in the region of 150bhp but there is one enthusiast who has a 300bhp+ 96 but it has a V6 engine

The factory built a modified 93 with two x three cylinder two stroke engines.
http://www.saabmuseum.com/monster/index.html

Perhaps Mazda/Ford should have had the chaps from Trollhatten to advise them on cooling matters & threads containing 'cooling' in the title would be a lot less common on the forum

scanner wrote:

francophile1947 wrote:I remember those Saabs when they used the old 3 cylinder 2 stroke engine (later fitted to the East German Wartburg Knight) - they were amazingly successful rally cars with that poxy little lump

Sorry John a completely different engine only similarity is 3 cylinders.

Don't want to start another errrr........... dispute, but it was far from poxy as Eric Carlson would tell you.

Just going by the claim made in the Wartburg sales literature in those days (mid 60s I believe!) - perhaps they described it as like the engine in the Saab - can't really remember.

Based on a Pre-war DKW

http://home.clara.net/peterfrost/wartburg.html

http://tinyurl.com/37j7ad

last_tuesday - that Saab V4 is just drop dead gorgeous. What a classic that car was.

We had a few Auto Union's come into were I worked
they had 2 Stroke engines with separate oil tanks
and that was when Yamaha were still making bamboo
rickshaws, then again Velocette did it even earlier with
the GPT, all the 2 Stroke cars I have driven were very
smooth and would pull from very low revs.
Not counting things like Bonds and Messerschmidt's that in.

They also built the cracking SAAB SONNET........cracking sound

You don't think this thread's going off topic do you????