Bongo Fury

There is a a silver rod going into the exhaust section.
When the switch is depressed there is an electrical click and the rod slowly revolves.

when the switch is flipped back the rod quickly rotates back to its origional position.

So I guess that is working how it should.

Atleast thats one more thing crossed off the list.

Hi, I notice that you seem to have resolved the issue.

For the sake of all interested parties, can you share with us what the solution finally ended up being?

Happy Bongoing!

To be honest I'm non the wizer.
The Garage have said that they have fixed the problem, but have been unable to tell me specifically what it is that has been fixed.

All I know is that lots of 'stuff' was wrong and that 'Everything' has been checked, and that some of the problems were wiring faults and a problem with a wiring loom.

Obviously I was looking forward to having a private moment of "ah ha, so that's what it was!"

but I guess i should just be thankfull the issue has been resolved.

I still havent got it back as they are now working on its starting problems *sigh*

I guess when I finally do get it back I have to work out whether to sell it or keep it.

I must say I don't feel I can trust it any more...

berrega wrote:To be honest I'm non the wizer.
The Garage have said that they have fixed the problem, but have been unable to tell me specifically what it is that has been fixed.

All I know is that lots of 'stuff' was wrong and that 'Everything' has been checked, and that some of the problems were wiring faults and a problem with a wiring loom.

Obviously I was looking forward to having a private moment of "ah ha, so that's what it was!"

but I guess i should just be thankfull the issue has been resolved.

I still havent got it back as they are now working on its starting problems *sigh*

I guess when I finally do get it back I have to work out whether to sell it or keep it.

I must say I don't feel I can trust it any more...

I just wonder if its the garage(s) involved that this comment should really be applied to. It appears a turbo was put in at great expense to you when it was not needed. And now the garage is unable to tell you what they have done that has fixed it. I know it must be difficult even for the professionals at times, and hindsight is a wonderful thing, but its hard to escape the feeling that if a Bongo specialist like Ian Taylor had had it in, the problem might have been ID'd and fixed with much less hassle and expense.

Having forked out so many £s, it might be worth giving what should be a great motor a chance to make a favourable impression on you.

Its actually been to 4 seperate garages.

I misundersood what Bongo Friendly Garage ment.

It means someone who is prepared to try but doesn't neccessarily know what they are doing.

The first Garage cost me £1,100 and fixed nothing.
the second garage diagnosed a hole in the radiator and replaced it.
the third garage gave me 3 diagnostic coded but couldn't find out what was causing them.

Its only now that my van actually is with Ian Taylor and is being fixed properly.

This has been a very expensive learning curve.

berrega wrote:Its actually been to 4 seperate garages.

I misundersood what Bongo Friendly Garage ment.

It means someone who is prepared to try but doesn't neccessarily know what they are doing.

The first Garage cost me £1,100 and fixed nothing.
the second garage diagnosed a hole in the radiator and replaced it.
the third garage gave me 3 diagnostic coded but couldn't find out what was causing them.

Its only now that my van actually is with Ian Taylor and is being fixed properly.

This has been a very expensive learning curve.

Wow - didn't realise you had ended up taking it to Ian Taylor. It might be worth asking him for his off the record assessment of whether the Bongo is basically a good one that has simply been handled by the wrong garages (not that he'd necesarily say that) i.e. does he think it is now likely to behave itself. If he says it is a sound looking machine then - painful though it is - it might be best drawing a line under the past and try to enjoy it for the original reasons you bought it. I can tell you that having had a good Bongo for 3+ years, I can't recall any other car in my long life ever being such a pleasure to own both for reliability and for usefulness and sheer fun and character. Good luck whatever you decide to do - its about time you had a lucky break.

You've certainly had a rough time with this.

It might be worth asking him for his off the record assessment of whether the Bongo is basically a good one

Well worth asking this, as Mike says.

I still havent got it back as they are now working on its starting problems *sigh*

Look at the fuel filter holder,as it's made of alloy and becomes porous,so on start up suck's a little air in to the system,but once started the pump gets more diesel so not so much of an effect

Ians had the glow plugs changed ( 2 had gone) and the dielsel pump front seal replaced ( had decayed) but its still struggeling badly. His just phoned me and suggested the glowplug relay may be faulty and is going to post one out to me.

no, it wasn't the glow plug relay causing the fault.

Any idea where I get hold of a fuel filter holder?
and how hard are they to change?

I'm not sure whether I should start another thread for this since its a different problem?

but here is the complete description.

-- First thing in the morning, it acts like it is going to start, you let the key spring back towards you
once you hear it catch but then it dies. Second turn of the key there is nothing, it turns over and over, and over with no sign of catching. You keep at it over, and over and over, then eventually, you here it slowly begin it kick in and then it suddenly catches. Once its caught it runs fine. If you kill the engine, it will still start fine again.
How it starts later in the day depends how long it has been left. If its been left a whole day, it may struggle a little bit again in the evening, but no where near as much as first thing in the mornings.

before I had the other problem fixed it was actually ok in the mornings, it grumbled a bit and took two goes but then spat out some white smoke and startred fine there after. No it has has a new front seal and new glowplugs it actually starts far worse than I have ever known it. It developed its starting problem whilst it was away being fixed

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Hi berrega,

I have not read through all of this posting,I would recommend that you get a compression test done if you have not already done so.The cold start problem may be the lack of compression.

Only my opinion..

Sounds like the diesel is running back to the filter/tank overnight,very common problem on pajeros and delicias.

Usually starts but once the diesel in the pump res is used it cuts out,then by cranking the engine over and over the pump sucks the diesel back up,and once there runs fine,but as you state the longer its left the worse it gets to start,try parking it on a steep incline pointing downhill over night and see if it's better in the morning,should be as the diesel can't seep uphill !

Temp cure is to fit an old mini or similar electric fuel pump after the filter,wire it to the live of the glowplugs,so as soon as ignition is turned on the fuel pump makes sure that the diesel pump has diesel,the pump will stop pumping as soon as the glowplugs go off,but as i said TEMP Measure,but will prove the point,if it is the above problem.

Would help if we knew what the garage had done to cure the original lack of power problem.......

So far all that I know that has been done is:

1) some vac hosing that had been blanked off that shouldn't have been has been reconnected.
2) some wiring faults rectified
3) wiring loom issue rectified
4) some other 'stuff'
5) new glow plugs
6) new diesel pump front seal
7) replaced glowplug relay

I think the problem is electrical rather than fuel related.

Before the glowplug relay was changed the van would take litterally minutes to start.

Now I can either turn it over and wait 20-30 seconds and it will eventually kick into life,
or if I turn the key backwards and forwards 3 times alowing the glow plug light to go out each time,

it seams to start first time.

Any ideas?

I'm thinking trying a new glowplug relay rather than one from a breakers,
but they are £75 each so I am reluctant to try this without knowing for sure..

Hard to tell it sounds like either air in the diesel system or not enough heat from heater plugs be it them not functioning correctly or relay/timer not holding them on long enough or the relay not being told to hold them on long enough which could be a temperature sensor issue or wiring to it.

Try a decent set of jump leads from possitive terminal directly to the buzz bar on the heater plugs hold it on for 20 seconds or so and then crank the engine whilst holding on, if it starts better then you can rule out the diesel side and concentrate on the heater plug and heater plug control side of things, are all heater plugs confirmed working correctly and good connections to the buzz bar and between it and the heater plugs?

Regards

Paul