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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:51 pm
by Gillybump
Had the mechanic look over the bongo yesterday and he couldn't find anything wrong and was starting to imply that it was my imagination.

He did however suggest that ,if the wind was in the right direction, the large fan in front of the engine might be drawing the exhaust fumes from the rear to the front of the van and this did seem plausible as I don't always get the smell.

I am starting to take note of the weather when I smell the fumes and it is usually when it's windy.The smell is definitely veg oil and I think that is why I notice it more.

No further forward really but at least I know that there are no leaks on the bongo.

Cheers
Darren

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:56 pm
by dandywarhol
Large fan only works if the engine bay is too hot - he's spinning you one!

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:03 pm
by Gillybump
The engine usually is hot when I get the smell,I am usually in traffic

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:07 pm
by dandywarhol
OK if you smell it again, quickly remove the centre console and disconnect the scavenger fan sensor plug next to the handbrake. That will stop the fan blowing, although I think you'll find the fan will only come on in v. hot conditions

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:17 pm
by francophile1947
Unlikely to be the fan but very likely to be wind. Next time you smell it, check to see if the wind is blowing from behind you - it's the only logical explanation of your exhaust smell through the heater.

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:12 pm
by mikeonb4c
francophile1947 wrote:Unlikely to be the fan but very likely to be wind. Next time you smell it, check to see if the wind is blowing from behind you - it's the only logical explanation of your exhaust smell through the heater.
I agree. The Bongo pushes a fair volume out the rear pipe. If that drifts back with the wind or hangs about the vehicle you could well notice it more than a clean little car. I've always thought that big old diesels tend to be a bit more whiffy than modern petrol cars too (although old ones like my MG with its dripping SU carbs often reminded you they ran on fuel etc.). Its also often the case that ladies have a better sense of smell than men. And we all notice a 'new' smell more than a familiar one. Put that lot together and you could have your answer. If worried, put a CO sensor where it matters (I doubt it'll have anything to report but it'll give you peace of mind). 8)

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:18 pm
by Gillybump
I reckon that the wind is the only answer but I am going to keep monitoring the situation.

Thanks for all your input.

Cheers
Darren

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:32 am
by Austin Powers
Gillybump wrote:I reckon that the wind is the only answer but I am going to keep monitoring the situation.

Thanks for all your input.

Cheers
Darren
Excuuse Me! :oops: :lol:

The final solution

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:40 pm
by Ricardo
Bolt had sheared off the manifold which was allowing plenty of gas to come in through the scoop for the vents and seep into the cockpit.
Bolt drilled out and gasket replaced.
£185 labour!

Problem is no more.

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:47 pm
by Harry
To the tune of 'Chastity belt'

Manifold stud nonny nonny manifold stud

It all the fault of the manifold stud

anyone care to write a few verses?

H 8)

Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:02 pm
by scanner
mikeonb4c wrote: If worried, put a CO sensor where it matters (I doubt it'll have anything to report but it'll give you peace of mind). 8)
If it's a diesel, what good would a CO sensor do Mike?

Diesels don't emit CO. It's why you can't commit suicide using the exhaust fumes.

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:13 am
by mikeonb4c
scanner wrote:
mikeonb4c wrote: If worried, put a CO sensor where it matters (I doubt it'll have anything to report but it'll give you peace of mind). 8)
If it's a diesel, what good would a CO sensor do Mike?

Diesels don't emit CO. It's why you can't commit suicide using the exhaust fumes.


Sorry, I didn't know that scanner. I had thought that all internal combustion involved the oxidation of long chain hydrocarbons. Unless combustion was complete, there was likely to be some carbon monoxide present in the exhaust gases in addition to carbon dioxide and water.

I think what I was trying to say was was this. The only serious consequence I could think of was the possibility of carbon monoxide poisoning. If you fit a sensor and it doesn't go off, then you can relax quite a lot. So if what you say is true, then fitting the sensor will confirm it. If it is not, you'll be glad you did.

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:42 am
by scanner
Except under very rare conditions diesels always have an excess of oxygen, so no need for the carbon to stint on the oxygen like in poisonous old petrol engines and no need for a lambda sensor either.

The point of my comment about petrols killing you quickly, but diesels only making you cough a bit.

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:08 pm
by dandywarhol
The MOT test on my last petrol Citroen 2.0 VTS read 0.01% carbon monoxide scanner - probably less than a diesel :wink:

Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:44 pm
by scanner
dandywarhol wrote:The MOT test on my last petrol Citroen 2.0 VTS read 0.01% carbon monoxide scanner - probably less than a diesel :wink:
I doubt it, but at least it shows your Lambda sensor and cat are working OK, getting your CO down to the levels diesels manage without any help.


CO (IIRC) isn't even measured in a diesel MOT.