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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:51 pm
by scanner
reasonably priced
Ahh, but are we allowed to use such things on near 2 tonne Bongos?
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:00 pm
by dandywarhol
Reasonably priced yes scanner

but not unreasonable quality

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:29 pm
by scanner
dandywarhol wrote:Reasonably priced yes scanner

but not unreasonable quality

Exactly! now do we go by price, brand, personal recommendation, what other people say about different versions on the internet or by trial and (hopefully not) error.
If it's simply price then we all buy Michelins.....................
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:49 pm
by scanner
mikeonb4c wrote:So I personally wouldn't get TOO hung up on tyres (within sensible limits), just as long as you understand what the performance penalty might be and adjust things accordingly.

My point exactly - it is all too easy to believe that just because something is half the price of something else and from a company you might not have heard of, it can't be any good.
That way lies uneconomic madness and you end up only buying "designer" goods at 10 times (or more) what they are worth.
Many of these "3rd World" factories are set up (and run by) by the big well known manufacturers because they have twigged that we have twigged them and their over charging, price fixing ways and that only a certain percentage of people are prepared to pay through the nose for the privilege of advertising the "right" names on their wheels.
No doubt the industry also does it for "environmental" reasons as well (i.e.more "industry friendly" than over here and less come back if the odd worker gets vulcanised). But hey, what the hell, as somebody once said on here (sort of) - "What does the odd Brazilian matter as long as we get "reasonably priced" tyres?"
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:31 pm
by dandywarhol
scanner wrote:dandywarhol wrote:Reasonably priced yes scanner

but not unreasonable quality

Exactly! now do we go by price, brand, personal recommendation, what other people say about different versions on the internet or by trial and (hopefully not) error.
If it's simply price then we all buy Michelins.....................
Not going to get into an arguement on this one scanner - I rate the known quality brands as best, like Michelin, Avon, Pirelli, Continental, Dunlop, Good Year, Yokohama etc., next down would be Uniroyal, Barum, Toyo, Falken, Khumo and personally would avoid the lesser known brands like Fate, Wanli, Nankang, etc.
But I expect to get shot down in flames because everyone has different ideas and expectations. The above are just my thoughts and choices and is very subjective
What I have just seen when changing my brake pads yesterday is that I've had the rears at too high a pressure at some time - the centre is at 4mm and the sides about 6mm

Last year I was using 38 psi with a side kitchen conversion and lowered them to 35 this year. Maybe still too high...............I've been wasting rubber!

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:55 pm
by scanner
Sorry to gratuitously score points, but incorrect inflation like that is probably worse in terms of safety than running on a set of correctly inflated Wan Li's or whatever.
Overinflated rear tyres are oversteer just waiting to happen. I don't really want almost 2 tonnes of Bongo heading towards me with in effect 125/15 tyres (of any make) on the rear axle.
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:44 pm
by dandywarhol
Not into point scoring scanner

- the over inflation was wrong on my part, but like many things about these imported and converted vehicles a lot of stuff is suck it and see. You also take a lot from this forum and make your own decision about it.
If you'd driven with the Argentinian shite the van came with I would rate your chances better with the over inflated Good Years if I was heading towards you
As for oversteering, well, it's only oversteered slightly when exiting a roundabout in HOLD 2 in the wet but I was kinda expecting it and just wanting to see what it would do. In general it's been pretty neutral steer and verges towards understeer when really pushing on on quick A roads - even with the rears running at 38.
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:02 pm
by Dave up north
I have Yokohama Ice Warriors on and they give plenty of arse end action. I love it.
Er... Um... Off the public highway only. Cough.. cough
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:16 pm
by scanner
dandywarhol wrote:Not into point scoring scanner

- the over inflation was wrong on my part, but like many things about these imported and converted vehicles a lot of stuff is suck it and see. You also take a lot from this forum and make your own decision about it.
If you'd driven with the Argentinian shite the van came with I would rate your chances better with the over inflated Good Years if I was heading towards you
As for oversteering, well, it's only oversteered slightly when exiting a roundabout in HOLD 2 in the wet but I was kinda expecting it and just wanting to see what it would do. In general it's been pretty neutral steer and verges towards understeer when really pushing on on quick A roads - even with the rears running at 38.
As you say each to their own, I'll do without the over inflation thanks.
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:33 pm
by mister munkey
Interesting though. Mine looked rather flat at 35 so have bunged them up to 40. Not noticed any handling probs though. May drop them down again, have a feel & see.
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:47 pm
by scanner
have a feel & see.
Always good advice.
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:38 pm
by Dave up north
Oh dear... Double entendres, I do apologise.
I am not of the gay. Ask my roommate Daffyd.
Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 12:27 am
by scanner
bigdaddycain wrote:Oh, yes...TSW hockenheim's... a decent retro rim

Not Hockenheims afterall so it seems, but Blades.
http://www.eliteone.com/wheels/tsw.htm
Glad of that as I actually prefer the Blades design.
Arrived tonight fitted with virtually unused Goodyear Eagle F1 Runflats and a wireless tyre pressure monitoring system.
http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.php? ... 21&z=10718
Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 12:51 am
by bigdaddycain
Yip, blades...i wasn't 100% on the name, it was lurking in my mind somewhere.... I prefer the hockenheim style of wheel generally, but i think the style of the blades suit the bongo better.
If anybody fits some TSW venoms to their bongo,i'm afraid i'll have to flick them till their skin turns red

Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:45 am
by scanner
Spooky timing - following on from some debate in here what should arrive in my Inbox but
The "Total Tyre Guide" from AutoExpress.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/products/t ... _test.html
An interesting quote given the recent controversy on the matter is this.
A top name on the sidewall does not guarantee top performance. Nor is price or reputation a determining factor when it comes to tracking down the best tyre.
Now must read it..................