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Re: Bongos and that dreaded word..RUST!!!

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:52 pm
by sotal
bennyyorkie wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:11 pm
Bongolia wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:51 pm I can second that! 😥😥😥😥
god, sounds like you had a bad experience...a local mechanic told me to always check the MOT history but I'm beginning to wonder if theres a glitch in the system there....was looking up a bongo I saw on ebay today, selling for 5000....lovely looking van but the history check showed it failed for severe corrosion affecting the stability of the structure on a few areas last year....but oddly, it passed with flying colours in the 3 precious years....showed it to my dad (engineer) and he said thats all wrong "it couldnt have gone from fine to disaster in a year"...he thought the precious MOTS must have not been done properly...now thats a worry!!
I hope your experience wasnt too bad or costly. Would be interested to hear your perspective but dont want to ask you in case you get flashbacks!

It isn't unusual to go from fine to fail, especially when covered in underseal. The testers aren't allowed to do much poking and can't remove the protective coating, so it can be rusting underneath. At some point the rust will become severe enough to make a hole and fail the MOT.

Ours did the above - luckily a small repair patch sorted it out.

Rust is bad on the bongos but so far has been manageable. Ours is a daily driver and we've had it for over 4 years. I do have to keep on top of the rust but the memories we've made during the variety of trips make it worthwhile. It has required very little expense in addition to rust control, which for the age of the vehicle isn't bad.

Re: Bongos and that dreaded word..RUST!!!

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:59 pm
by bennyyorkie
sotal wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:52 pm
bennyyorkie wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:11 pm
Bongolia wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:51 pm I can second that! 😥😥😥😥
god, sounds like you had a bad experience...a local mechanic told me to always check the MOT history but I'm beginning to wonder if theres a glitch in the system there....was looking up a bongo I saw on ebay today, selling for 5000....lovely looking van but the history check showed it failed for severe corrosion affecting the stability of the structure on a few areas last year....but oddly, it passed with flying colours in the 3 precious years....showed it to my dad (engineer) and he said thats all wrong "it couldnt have gone from fine to disaster in a year"...he thought the precious MOTS must have not been done properly...now thats a worry!!
I hope your experience wasnt too bad or costly. Would be interested to hear your perspective but dont want to ask you in case you get flashbacks!

It isn't unusual to go from fine to fail, especially when covered in underseal. The testers aren't allowed to do much poking and can't remove the protective coating, so it can be rusting underneath. At some point the rust will become severe enough to make a hole and fail the MOT.

Ours did the above - luckily a small repair patch sorted it out.

Rust is bad on the bongos but so far has been manageable. Ours is a daily driver and we've had it for over 4 years. I do have to keep on top of the rust but the memories we've made during the variety of trips make it worthwhile. It has required very little expense in addition to rust control, which for the age of the vehicle isn't bad.
Many thanks for your reply. It is a little worrying that anything could be lurking under the underseal....would you have any recommendations for how to spot a lemon. Maybe there will also be rust around the doors or something like that? Thanks again

Re: Bongos and that dreaded word..RUST!!!

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:08 pm
by Flanners
If you are querying that I reckon you need to have a professional Inspection/Report of the vehicle or take someone who know's what they are actually looking at/for prior to any deal

Re: Bongos and that dreaded word..RUST!!!

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 4:03 pm
by bennyyorkie
Flanners wrote: Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:08 pm If you are querying that I reckon you need to have a professional Inspection/Report of the vehicle or take someone who know's what they are actually looking at/for prior to any deal
Certainly will. How is the AA for these things? Or maybe try to get a specialist?

Re: Bongos and that dreaded word..RUST!!!

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 8:04 pm
by Flanners
A Bongo specialist or wise owner on here who is near to your home address/location of the van. Good luck.

Re: Bongos and that dreaded word..RUST!!!

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 2:55 am
by Timandclaire
Like many vehicles they have their common areas for rust,personally i'd rather buy cheap due to mot failure and go through it ..at least you know what you are up against when you have a failsheet/shopping list.
And the peace of mind that it has all been done.It would be easy to pay top doller for an example with an mot and then get hit hard the following mot.
I've just bought such a vehicle the poor lady i bought it from gave £4k spent £2k had it for 6 mths and was quoted another £2k for mot failures and advisories.
So she sold it to me for £800 i had a friend go through it welding wise,i added a couple of jubillee clips,tightened a couple of 10mm bolts and mot'd it.

I'm confident that you'll find the issues will be the front crossmember (typically lower skin) easily replaced,worst case replace the whole front crossmember (readily available) rear crossmember, Inner wings,slam panels,sills,towbar mountings and cosmetically the front and rear arches (rears moreso).

Re: Bongos and that dreaded word..RUST!!!

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:47 pm
by Bongolia
bennyyorkie wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:11 pm
Bongolia wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:51 pm I can second that! 😥😥😥😥
god, sounds like you had a bad experience...a local mechanic told me to always check the MOT history but I'm beginning to wonder if theres a glitch in the system there....was looking up a bongo I saw on ebay today, selling for 5000....lovely looking van but the history check showed it failed for severe corrosion affecting the stability of the structure on a few areas last year....but oddly, it passed with flying colours in the 3 precious years....showed it to my dad (engineer) and he said thats all wrong "it couldnt have gone from fine to disaster in a year"...he thought the precious MOTS must have not been done properly...now thats a worry!!
I hope your experience wasnt too bad or costly. Would be interested to hear your perspective but dont want to ask you in case you get flashbacks!
I bought my first Bongo in 2016 and liked it very much it had a full side conversion was a clever little van and
I decided it was going to be my main van however after using it for a time and because ironically,it had an
upper deck I felt that I would prefer a rear removable pod kitchen and a more comfortable lounge area with the
upstairs deck as the main sleeping area.
So a new project and my swansong before retirement?
I decided to keep the Bongo and sell the VW that I had restored and fitted out in the 90s and use that money to
fund a 4WD 2.5 unconverted to fit out in a way that more suited us.
I looked on Ebay and found one that had a good write up and it seemed to suit my needs. I could see clearly that
it needed work but as I had spent my working life in the motor trade with a large part of that spent in body
repair and restoration I was not worried by the thought of a couple of arch repairs and the odd bit of welding.
According to the vendors (not Ian Taylor) ad the vehicle had good provenance it was owned by Ian Taylor and was his wife`s personal
vehicle. Maybe that would explain why, although a P reg, it had the later front end and interior.
That would count for a lot towards what I had to find to update an earlier model. The vendors Ebay description
text was long and informative and stated that all the usual bits had been done , coolant alarm, tank earthing,
cambelt and pump etc as well as a recent set of tyres,on top of that it already had split charger and EHU with a
solar panel fitted,bonus!
It had two owners since the importers wife I had checked the MOT history and it had sailed through every one
with only a couple of minor advisories, mileages all added up and it was shiny black. Whats not to like right?
So I contacted the vendor in order to view the vehicle and a time was arranged to meet the owner at his house to
view the van.

This is when the problems started.
My Bongo was having a gearbox job done and the Kia Sedona flatly refused to start. It was a scorching hot day
and we were very busy at work so rather than reschedule I grabbed the work hack, a K reg Micra two door, loaded
up the wife and with a large amount of cash ( Teenmal I thought it was 6K but I could still be in denial :( ) set off for Cambridgeshire using my phone as the sat nav.
As a failed boy scout map reader (first class) I put absolute faith in sat navs, thats how I find so many unusual
places like farm yards,dirt tracks and bridgeless river crossings. :D
For some reason best known to the Gods it routed me through London which was thick with traffic owing to road
works on the North Circular,I know, whilst sitting in this traffic the Micra decided it was a good time to
overheat (stuck thermostat) in order to help the cooling I turned the heater on and opened the windows, not a
lot of good when stationary in traffic but I was now comitted and if the Micra blew up so be it I was going to
get the van!
Three hours late we arrived at the vendors gaff probably half a stone lighter from the earlier sauna, stressed
and drained.
There was the black Bongo all shiny and nice so I looked round it.
The arches clearly would need repair there was heavy rusting around the EHU door but else all looked reasonable.
Then I discovered that the vendor was a Bongo Fury member he seemed honest enough in fact I had advised him on
an issue he had with the van through the forum!
This and fatigue went some way to taking my eye off the ball (BIG EFFIN ERROR!!!!!) so I took it at face value
the deal was concluded and the auction was terminated early.
I set off back to London with the wife driving the Micra, now self righted, it was a cool evening van drove well
and so a pleasant drive back.

That Saturday morning after work I put the van on the lift to explore and plan the mods. On the shaker plates I
found the front was just about attached to the back,had it not been for the chassis rails it would have fallen
off. It was quite obvious that the MOT tests,all by the same station whilst in the vendors ownership, had been
carried out "irresponsibly" as most of the rot on the underside would have obvious had I bothered to get on my
knees have a probe. The corrosion was very obviously long standing.
I gutted the interior and took stock.
I had dropped both bollocks nut sack and all.

So what to do? The vendor would deny knowledge and honestly would you have put your wife and kids in that thing
if you had known the full extent of the corrosion? I suppose some might.

Legally did I have a position?
Well it was an auction, techically not misdescribed and I am the expert, an authorised examiner,MOT tester no
less and a lifetime in the motor trade to boot had I looked over the van properly before parting with the dosh?
NO! So get over it right?
That weekend I took the view that mechanically it was sound-ish it had the updated bits on it, I was going to refurb it, it might be fun and at the end of it I would have a sound Bongo exactly how I wanted and it would probably see me out(if it didnt kill me in the process) so I ordered a pair of merc arches from Ebay and the
rest is history.

The result is I have a nice sound van, still fitting interior out mind,that runs well, drives well, is
reasonably quick, great fun and with the amount of anti corrosion protection should be around for a millenia
or two at least.

Re: Bongos and that dreaded word..RUST!!!

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:55 pm
by mikeonb4c
Great story, great result, and personally I prefer not to make those who've slipped on a banana skin feel like they're a numpty 'cos, frankly, life is a series of slipping on banana skins, picking yourself up, and probably slipping on another. Fact is you now probably have one of the few truly rust free P Reg Bongos in the UK, and a great sense of achievement. Enjoy =D> :-)