Bongo Fury

Posted: **Sun May 05, 2013 1:16 pm**

mikeonb4c wrote:
Jim the Box wrote:Spot on Rita I was thinking the very same myself, will try some sort of shroud/heatshield, failing that will look at the fitted temperature sensor location to see what options I have. However, I think the TM2 would alarm out if I was having a boil up for real. I'm just so relieved that everything seems fine. If I do replace with the new gauge (shown in the thread above) I assume that the 1/8 sender they supply would fit directly into the existing temp sensor location or would I need an adaptor?
I wouldn't do that. My concern with cheap goods on ebay would be reliability. Will their sender give the reliable operation over many years as the Mazda item. In reality, a mason modified temp gauge is doing the same job only without the numbers. Not as attractive a piece of eye candy as the ebay item I agree but...

And surely a tm2 does at least attempt to measure a local (head) temp, whereas the coolant system actively tries to keep temps within a working band and so arguably extra effort by cooling fans could mask a developing problem? The problem for the tm2 is to achieve standard fitting position on lots of Bongos so data on what is normal can be gathered.

Do you honestly think that Thornycroftengines would sell or fit inferior parts when they are dealing with such Expensive Engines.

From TCE,We are a marine engineering company based in Preston. Lancashire. We manufacture and supply marine engines and associated parts for both Inland and seagoing vessels.

Posted: **Sun May 05, 2013 1:19 pm**

rita wrote:
mikeonb4c wrote:
Jim the Box wrote:Spot on Rita I was thinking the very same myself, will try some sort of shroud/heatshield, failing that will look at the fitted temperature sensor location to see what options I have. However, I think the TM2 would alarm out if I was having a boil up for real. I'm just so relieved that everything seems fine. If I do replace with the new gauge (shown in the thread above) I assume that the 1/8 sender they supply would fit directly into the existing temp sensor location or would I need an adaptor?
I do that. ncern with cheap goods on ebay would be reliability. Will their sender give the reliable operation over many years as the Ma My cowouldn'tzda item. In reality, a mason modified temp gauge is doing the same job only without the numbers. Not as attractive a piece of eye candy as the ebay item I agree but...

And surely a tm2 does at least attempt to measure a local (head) temp, whereas the coolant system actively tries to keep temps within a working band and so arguably extra effort by cooling fans could mask a developing problem? The problem for the tm2 is to achieve standard fitting position on lots of Bongos so data on what is normal can be gathered.
Do you honestly think that Thornycroftengines would sell or fit inferior parts when they are dealing with such Expensive Engines.

From TCE,We are a marine engineering company based in Preston. Lancashire. We manufacture and supply marine engines and associated parts for both Inland and seagoing vessels.

Posted: **Sun May 05, 2013 7:04 pm**

Sorry Rita, I only looked at the price, which struck me as cheap for a complete bit of kit. And my (ebay) experience has been that cheap stuff let's you down. Are you saying this is industrial quality stuff at a bargain price, backed up by a major engineering company? My sincere and grovelling apologies if so. Where are they manufacturing it, and what is the quality control regime?

Yes I remember the name of your company from years back (Vosper Thorneycroft specifically). It would never have occured to me that they would end up selling direct to consumers on ebay. How times change! They need to turn that 99.7% rating into 100%

Any thoughts on the other points in my post?

Posted: **Sun May 05, 2013 10:56 pm**

Thornycroft Engines also sell kids plastic sledges.....

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kids-Plastic- ... 4cf4040ec3

...and pond pumps:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jebao-Eco-Gar ... 7dc4a7f783

Other than a name in common, I don't believe they are connected to VT Group (formerly known as Vosper Thornycroft). According to Companies House, they are registered as:

"A. M. C. DIESEL ENGINEERING LIMITED
45310 - Wholesale trade of motor vehicle parts and accessories"

Posted: **Sun May 05, 2013 11:18 pm**

I have a TM2 on my V6 fixed in the same place. The readings I get are very much in line with Jim's. Cruising between 72 and 78 degrees, with upward readings in the eighties for traffic. In a real crawl on a boiling day I have reached 91, but then the scavenger fans get going and it drops. It may not be perfect but it provides a good indication of what is going on and how the cooling system is performing. One of my best investments on the Bongo.

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2013 4:00 am**

Hi
Vospers stick in my mind, as they produced some pretty good MTBs in the war...merged with Thorneycroft in the '60s, selling on e-bay in the 21st century.....there's a bit of a parallel with the British Empire there somewhere

Cheers
Helen

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2013 7:39 am**

Thanks for all the input guys, I think my Tm2 is giving me substantially more protection than my standard temperature gauge. It's not perfect, however I think I will have a punt on Rita's gauge an give it a try. At the end of the day 2 gauges sampling temperatures from different areas of the engine should give me more piece of mind. New Terriers, readings (72'c-80'c) are similar to the range of temperatures I am receiving, and the 40mile test drive over the weekend, plus your posts have reassured me that my cooling system is working ok.

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2013 8:32 am**

Just to state a point...This Is Not MY Gauge..or or My company (wish it was)
I merely... stated ....Quote ....You would probably be better with one of these rather than the original gauge.

If anyone thinks different that is Their prerogative.

There seems to be a lot of FURY about when someone mentions something fairly new.

Its nice to be important,but its important to be nice.

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2013 9:39 am**

Sorry Rita. I honestly wasn't trying to be sniffy about something new. My concern was over replacing the original sensor with a cheap component. But if its only the gauge, i'm less concerned, as you can generally see if that has failed. Then again, there's nothing wrong with the original gauge except it is heavily damped so doesn't show any but the extremes of temp variation. But remove the damping (with a Masons alarm or similar) and things get better. Not as eye catching as the TCE gauge mind you, and it doesn't show the numbers.

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2013 11:29 am**

Hi
Rita...not being sniffy about the gauge, in fact any old thing is better than the Mazda gauge for the European market....the best place in my mind is to cut the top hose and put an adapter in when doing a coolant change, so you're reading the sum temperature of the head output....To be fair, the Mazda gauge is fine, but it's the nut behind the wheel that's the problem....IF we see the gauge rising, we should pull over and get the problem sorted which is, I guess, the Japanese mentality....in the jolly old UK, the attitude is to drive home and see what's wrong tomorrow....enter the cooked head scenario!
My personal preference is for the odd gauge or two...
Cheers
Helen

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2013 3:01 pm**

helen&tony wrote:Hi
Rita...not being sniffy about the gauge, in fact any old thing is better than the Mazda gauge for the European market....the best place in my mind is to cut the top hose and put an adapter in when doing a coolant change, so you're reading the sum temperature of the head output....To be fair, the Mazda gauge is fine, but it's the nut behind the wheel that's the problem....IF we see the gauge rising, we should pull over and get the problem sorted which is, I guess, the Japanese mentality....in the jolly old UK, the attitude is to drive home and see what's wrong tomorrow....enter the cooked head scenario!
My personal preference is for the odd gauge or two...
Cheers
Helen

...and a Mason type alarm allows the standard Mazda gauge to move in proportion to temp changes, and ultimately you don't have to watch it 'cos an alarm will go off at whatever threshold you've set it to anyway. Having said that, I don't have a Mason fitted, and my TM2 remains in its box, waiting to be fitted

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2013 3:19 pm**

mikeonb4c wrote:
helen&tony wrote:Hi
Rita...not being sniffy about the gauge, in fact any old thing is better than the Mazda gauge for the European market....the best place in my mind is to cut the top hose and put an adapter in when doing a coolant change, so you're reading the sum temperature of the head output....To be fair, the Mazda gauge is fine, but it's the nut behind the wheel that's the problem....IF we see the gauge rising, we should pull over and get the problem sorted which is, I guess, the Japanese mentality....in the jolly old UK, the attitude is to drive home and see what's wrong tomorrow....enter the cooked head scenario!
My personal preference is for the odd gauge or two...
Cheers
Helen
...and a Mason type alarm allows the standard Mazda gauge to move in proportion to temp changes, and ultimately you don't have to watch it 'cos an alarm will go off at whatever threshold you've set it to anyway. Having said that, I don't have a Mason fitted, and my TM2 remains in its box, waiting to be fitted

That makes a lot of sense,you are a model advisor.Keep up the good work....

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2013 4:27 pm**

teenmal wrote:
mikeonb4c wrote:
helen&tony wrote:Hi
Rita...not being sniffy about the gauge, in fact any old thing is better than the Mazda gauge for the European market....the best place in my mind is to cut the top hose and put an adapter in when doing a coolant change, so you're reading the sum temperature of the head output....To be fair, the Mazda gauge is fine, but it's the nut behind the wheel that's the problem....IF we see the gauge rising, we should pull over and get the problem sorted which is, I guess, the Japanese mentality....in the jolly old UK, the attitude is to drive home and see what's wrong tomorrow....enter the cooked head scenario!
My personal preference is for the odd gauge or two...
Cheers
Helen
...and a Mason type alarm allows the standard Mazda gauge to move in proportion to temp changes, and ultimately you don't have to watch it 'cos an alarm will go off at whatever threshold you've set it to anyway. Having said that, I don't have a Mason fitted, and my TM2 remains in its box, waiting to be fitted
That makes a lot of sense,you are a model advisor.Keep up the good work....

I know

and the only excuse I can offer is everything suggests I have a Bongo with a healthy coolant circulation

But really, these old buses are worth keeping a close eye on, as a rule. I'll get a round tuit one day

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2013 7:35 pm**

rita wrote:Just to state a point...This Is Not MY Gauge..or or My company (wish it was)
I merely... stated ....Quote ....You would probably be better with one of these rather than the original gauge.

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Sorry Rita when I mentioned "Rita's Gauge" I knew what I meant, Just to clarify to everyone else, I am going to fit one of the gauges that Rita suggested I look at on ebay to replace the dashboard standard gauge in the bongo (which is useless.) I will feedback how well it performed once fitted and tested for a few months.

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