Water in cylinder 2

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Re: Water in cylinder 2

Post by bongovi » Mon Jan 23, 2017 5:45 pm

Um-Bongo wrote:Update: I can now feel my feet again.
Mild frost bite to 3 fingers.
3 finger salute for braving it this weekend. Hoping for warmer weather to come...

AVA Leisure may be sorting me the temp sensor, o-ring and studs, so that plus the oil filter and vac hose should round things off. £50 of liquids also... there's a £12 per 4l offer at Halfords for fully synthetic 5W/30 at the moment if that helps anyone.

I have 2 of those, plus a spare 2l of their part synth 5W/30 for another occasion. Plus a big tub of their OAT coolant concentrate.
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Re: Water in cylinder 2

Post by Bongolia » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:21 pm

bongovi wrote:
Bongolia wrote:May Have been a big typo or limited stock as almost everything else he sells is re-con.
Only neg feed back I can see is for a perished rear main oil seal, seems unlikely that he would sell a perished one. Thinking on that I have never seen a "perished" oil seal!
Umbongo and I have had a good look over today, with him sacrificing his extremities to the cold. He reckons it's a newly machined head, only recon aspect being the cam/valves etc. - does that make more sense in the context?

We weren't able to get as far as bolting it down because of (d):

a) missing stud from earlier sheer-off on the turbo manifold (also need to remove a few more from old head)
b) sensor (coolant?) snap off, not sure what to re-order yet
c) dowel on the cam missing/won't come off old head easily
d) o-ring on oil feed on block has perished -> no replacement to hand

Will also need torque settings for glow plugs, if available. A new oil filter and vac hoses are also to go on order (found both for £5 on ebay).

If anyone can advise on the coolant sensor before I go off hunting, the dowel on the cam or any o-ring on block specifics, I'm all ears.

So will get that lot in, hopefully on order tomorrow, and then get back to fixing down.
This link from Teenmal may be of interest. Same engine.
http://www.manualesdemecanica.com/image ... 6cf9ca.pdf
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Re: Water in cylinder 2

Post by bongovi » Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:29 pm

Bongolia wrote:This link from Teenmal may be of interest. Same engine.
http://www.manualesdemecanica.com/image ... 6cf9ca.pdf
Great resource, many thanks to both.
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Re: Water in cylinder 2

Post by Um-Bongo » Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:49 pm

bongovi wrote:done with two 12in spanners (17mm) hooked onto each other in a very smart but simple way (sure you've probably all seen it before) me holding the cam nut with a wrench, the other man pulling the locked spanners.
The "2-spanners" is very much like the "3 Sea-shells" - its a complete mystery until you see how its done.
If it ain't broke, throw a turbo on it.
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Re: Water in cylinder 2

Post by bongovi » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:57 am

Um-Bongo wrote:The "2-spanners" is very much like the "3 Sea-shells" - its a complete mystery until you see how its done.
Obscure reference there with the 3 shells thing... had to look it up to figure it out. I have seen Demolition Man, but the scene about the shells in the loo didn't really stick with me at the time. Anyway, back to the programme!
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Re: Water in cylinder 2

Post by bongovi » Sun Jan 29, 2017 3:46 pm

Another week, another step closer... bought new studs, oil feed o-ring, vac hoses (worried about refixing one of those as it snapped close to base of a sort of molded fixing into the fatter air intake pipe behind the head) and oil filter.

So nearly ready to fix new head on, just a few issues:

Oil + water
- Drained oil and around 1l of coolant was in there, bottled up for evidence. Advice on flushing all traces out? Tempted to pour new oil through (have that 2l bottle of 5W/30 I mentioned) to 'push' any water out... hoping it all had settled over the weeks and dripped out when drained in one go, but no idea how much might be in there.

Oil filter size
- Oil filter I've bought is half the size of the one fitted - but was recommended for Bongos. New one is 2/3rd size of coke can, old one at least 2x that size.

Camshaft pulley dowel
- Dowel in old camshaft pulley won't come out, even with heating, so I'm missing one of those for the new head - the CH seller said he didn't have any. Anyone know where else to source one?

Once these issues are resolved, I think we're good to torque down! Cheers again.
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Re: Water in cylinder 2

Post by Bongolia » Sun Jan 29, 2017 5:36 pm

Oil filter. If you give me make and number of old filter and new filter I wil cross them over on Monday.
Oil and water.
Wouldnt worry yet.
You are going to need a couple of flushes when its all back together and running so you will need a decent bio flusher for the rads like Forte,look on Ebay,run the flush with stat out but get it hot.
You wil need an engine oil flush too. Use cheap oil on the flush then change oil and filter and finally refill with the good stuff.
You can use your old oil filter for the flush. I would suggest taking it off now and leaving it to drain down.
On the dowel is it stuck in the cam or the sprocket?
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Re: Water in cylinder 2

Post by bongovi » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:01 pm

Bongolia wrote:Oil filter. If you give me make and number of old filter and new filter I wil cross them over on Monday.
Thanks - the old is still in situ (can remove it soon) but is a Crosland. The new one ordered in was a Nipparts J1313015:

> HEIGHT 84mm, INNER THREAD M20X1.5mm OUTER DIAMETER 68mm, Popular cross with Mazda FEYO-14-302-9A
(more info here http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/311598390443)
Bongolia wrote:You are going to need a couple of flushes when its all back together and running so you will need a decent bio flusher for the rads like Forte,look on Ebay,run the flush with stat out but get it hot.
You wil need an engine oil flush too. Use cheap oil on the flush then change oil and filter and finally refill with the good stuff.
You can use your old oil filter for the flush. I would suggest taking it off now and leaving it to drain down.
Cheers. Will remove filter at earliest opportunity and try to get prepared for coolant flush.
Bongolia wrote:On the dowel is it stuck in the cam or the sprocket?
Stuck in the cam. Have asked Andy at AVA, he says he needs to speak to a contact in Japan(!), could take a few days. Given that it's a Ranger engine too, I've been trying to find a match but no joy yet. No idea why it wasn't actually in the new cam/head...
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Re: Water in cylinder 2

Post by rita » Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:14 pm

The part No for the pin is F80110114 you should be able to obtain one from Mazda/Ford/Kia dealers or engine rebuilders.
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Re: Water in cylinder 2

Post by bongovi » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:25 pm

rita wrote:The part No for the pin is F80110114 you should be able to obtain one from Mazda/Ford/Kia dealers or engine rebuilders.
Thank you! Mazda Beechwood in Derby are ordering one in for £4, UK stock. Should be in Wednesday. Slowly, but surely :)
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Re: Water in cylinder 2

Post by Bongolia » Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:28 pm

Can you get the Crossland number?
Didnt pick up your ,mail until just now.
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Re: Water in cylinder 2

Post by bongovi » Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:50 pm

Bongolia wrote:Can you get the Crossland number?
Didnt pick up your ,mail until just now.
Cheers for checking back. I have tried twice now... can't remove it by hand, and wanted to keep it on while flushing out engine before final oil fill... So won't jab it with a screwdriver to get leverage just yet.

Would it be right to assume it's probably this one: http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Mazda ... fa9&000231

In which case I might just order another one of those to be on the safe side... They also sell a Mann one for £6. Either way Eurocarparts will do returns easily enough if not needed.
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Re: Water in cylinder 2

Post by Bongolia » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:06 pm

Yup looks right. You could give urines a ring and ask them to crossover the number of your suspect one. It doesn't come up on our MAM parts at all for some reason! :shock:
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Re: Water in cylinder 2

Post by rita » Fri Feb 03, 2017 10:47 am

For what its worth I only use Blueprint ADC 42105 oil filters, they are fitted with a NRV.

You could also go to the Compatible parts database and have a wee look.
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Re: Water in cylinder 2

Post by mikeonb4c » Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:09 am

rita wrote:For what its worth I only use Blueprint ADC 42105 oil filters, they are fitted with a NRV.

You could also go to the Compatible parts database and have a wee look.
Interesting that. Would a symptom of not having a non return valve be a short interval of noisier engine running and dashboard oil pressure light staying on? Is it easy to identify which products have an NRV when buying online etc?
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