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Re: Bongo 4wd refurb

Post by ELZE » Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:25 pm

Bongolia wrote:After much faffin abaht wiv Photobucket I have got me ed round it , a bit!
Still not got how to present them in order but it makes a little more sense and I have put them in folders now so I can upload into the correct folder.
Problem I had with "description" was if I reordered them then I lost the description. So I renamed the files to reflect the operation and now I cannot see the file names on PB! Hey Ho.
Still its better than it was and when I am not welding in bits of metal I will turn my attention to ordering the images.
As the other images hadn't loaded up as they should have I have deleted the lot and started again.
Front wheel house and closing panel are fixed in and chassis leg flange also.
The strut turret and flitch repair panels are pinned in and I await the arrival of some weld through zinc Monday.

Off to pub!

Please to hear that I just clicked your link and was spammed by zillions of those annoying ads where shutting down one opens another three :roll:
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Re: Bongo 4wd refurb

Post by Bongolia » Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:39 pm

ELZE wrote:
Bongolia wrote:After much faffin abaht wiv Photobucket I have got me ed round it , a bit!
Still not got how to present them in order but it makes a little more sense and I have put them in folders now so I can upload into the correct folder.
Problem I had with "description" was if I reordered them then I lost the description. So I renamed the files to reflect the operation and now I cannot see the file names on PB! Hey Ho.
Still its better than it was and when I am not welding in bits of metal I will turn my attention to ordering the images.
As the other images hadn't loaded up as they should have I have deleted the lot and started again.
Front wheel house and closing panel are fixed in and chassis leg flange also.
The strut turret and flitch repair panels are pinned in and I await the arrival of some weld through zinc Monday.

Off to pub!

Please to hear that I just clicked your link and was spammed by zillions of those annoying ads where shutting down one opens another three :roll:

On a cell phone or PC?
Ditched PB now, another poster suggested Google pix so using that now.
Just putting together the latest installment, when this one is done maybe a the six wheeler!!!! 8) 8)
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Re: Bongo 4wd refurb

Post by ELZE » Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:44 pm

Bongolia wrote:
ELZE wrote:
Bongolia wrote:After much faffin abaht wiv Photobucket I have got me ed round it , a bit!
Still not got how to present them in order but it makes a little more sense and I have put them in folders now so I can upload into the correct folder.
Problem I had with "description" was if I reordered them then I lost the description. So I renamed the files to reflect the operation and now I cannot see the file names on PB! Hey Ho.
Still its better than it was and when I am not welding in bits of metal I will turn my attention to ordering the images.
As the other images hadn't loaded up as they should have I have deleted the lot and started again.
Front wheel house and closing panel are fixed in and chassis leg flange also.
The strut turret and flitch repair panels are pinned in and I await the arrival of some weld through zinc Monday.

Off to pub!

Please to hear that I just clicked your link and was spammed by zillions of those annoying ads where shutting down one opens another three :roll:

On a cell phone or PC?
Ditched PB now, another poster suggested Google pix so using that now.
Just putting together the latest installment, when this one is done maybe a the six wheeler!!!! 8) 8)
PC !

Six wheeler would be the demigod of Bongo's, just think of the envy of a Bongo that sleeps four comfortably ! As for the roof a Denby version would be smashing
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Re: Bongo 4wd refurb

Post by Bongolia » Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:51 pm

I was thing the extra space would house the Jacuzzi?
Maybe an 8 wheeler then?
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Re: Bongo 4wd refurb

Post by Bongolia » Sun Oct 30, 2016 5:55 pm

An emergency call into work this morning sadly coincided with a visit from the family.
I like nothing more than a quite Sunday livened up by screaming witches and warlocks but sometimes a man has to do what a man has to do.

I have almost finished the fitting of the O/S sill and the enlarged replacement box for the area previously occupied by the rear heater but driving over the Schutz gun has put a stop on the finalizing of that at the moment.

In another thread a question was raised about the shape of the rear wheel house inner so as this on my list of things to do I dissected the rear arch.
It had been "got at " before so the first thing was to establish the extent of the rust. I found filler spread thickly over the original paint work at quite a depth as the guy had to flare it into the panel line.
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https://goo.gl/photos/88x4zRzcf7DQvKwq8
I ground through the edge of the panel to retain as much of the inner arch as possible for patterning purposes
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https://goo.gl/photos/4sKZW2kEGMAYakAX9
This is what I found
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https://goo.gl/photos/HDjSRSx5pDusRmFDA
There is a pressure injected ribbon of sealant approx 1 inch wide sandwiched between the outer panel and the inner arch. I would think that was used for vibration damping than as a sealant.
Apart from caulking around panel meeting corners this is the only panel to panel "sealant " I have come across so far.
Obviously this would make it difficult to get any wax into that section unless heavily diluted and that any repair carried out without adequate protection applied after would be short lived.

I have the Merc sprinter arches as replacements but I understand that as I am fitting plastic sill skirts it would be wise to wait until I have them in my grubby lacerated mitts before fitting.
Monday I will finalize the front end, sill & box work and pop up the pixs of that then.

Off to local noshery with two warlocks and a witch.



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Re: Bongo 4wd refurb

Post by mikeonb4c » Sun Oct 30, 2016 6:09 pm

Confessions of a Bongo Stripper! Fascinating stuff, seriously.
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Re: Bongo 4wd refurb

Post by Bongolia » Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:48 pm

Well no images of it Schutzed as the replacement gun didn't arrive. I will put those images links up later.

This lot cover the O/S sill panel repair and the replacement of the rear heater floor with a deeper squarer version.

This was the corrosion inner sill and r/heater floor.

https://goo.gl/photos/U1jPmS8F7m5hUYN6A

Once the filler had been removed from the outer sill two patches were revealed.
The one on the right was nicely done.

https://goo.gl/photos/XWUcGtmW9G1Jc9sn7

I made the sill cut just below the swage on the side panel as the metal above here was sound and the swage in the panel would help lessen the chances of distortion when welding the new section in. The old floor was removed and areas treated with zinc prior to fabricating new panels.

https://goo.gl/photos/U27Me5TY1YwN7Tht6

I also found this little surprise too.
It would explain the low coolant alarm kicking off as i drove it into the shop for the first inspection and the nasty knock when starting from cold.

https://goo.gl/photos/Je7GsMkwpbw8ersv6

This is the box for the floor.
First set show the pinned box being offered up to check fit against the new sill panel section and to mark and pin the position against the chassis longeron.

https://goo.gl/photos/t2ai61AZnGooGNA76

This shows the components of the floor box and the triangular floor stringer in various stages. The reason for the small addition at the end of the floor is that the folder mouth is not wide enough for this length. After zincing the weld edges it was spotted together.
The opening to the right is to allow the loom to run through the inside of the floor boxing.
The holes across the upright are to allow MIG plug welding to the chassis.

https://goo.gl/photos/4DneUzmeQH7AeBgi6

The box was etched and and painted two coats epoxy 1k as was the chassis. The black marks on the chassis are areas to be cleaned to allow for the MIG plugs.
In the Fertan shots you can see I added two angled flutes to the floor and 5 drainage flutes to the sill flange these fall adjacent to the inner panel upright stringers. This is where the moisture collects that causes the familiar sill rot points.
It would benefit owners to drill 10mm weep holes at these points as there is no drainage in the OE setup.
What is not clear from the images is that the floor has a slight lean when on level ground towards the sill flange flutes.

https://goo.gl/photos/Fu2WSXsDcnyxRxNJ8


Once thoroughly cured the sections where re-pinned into position and welded in.
Then a thin runny coating of zinc paint was flooded into the seems and between the welds.

https://goo.gl/photos/BnS9v6h6SbHNxCLSA

Epoxy was applied to the welded areas and sill section inside and out as well as the previously repaired A pillar inner sill & flitch and then sealed with PU sealant.
The sill will not be loaded as there will be a plastic sill cover over here.

In the last picture of the underside of the new floor you can see the rear stringer in place and two holes these will have cowls screwed over them to pull cabin air into the box to help dry off any remaining moisture when driving. They will be fitted after the first schutz coat has been applied. If the gun ever gets here that is.

https://goo.gl/photos/mrqkxpheHqrYWwhm6
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Re: Bongo 4wd refurb

Post by mikeonb4c » Mon Oct 31, 2016 9:01 pm

Extremely interesting to see this work. You say
It would benefit owners to drill 10mm weep holes at these points as there is no drainage in the OE setup.
..and later talk about cowls over holes to encourage airflow. I've long thought about drilling (drain/weep) holes in the bottoms of the sills at relevant points and fitting backwards facing cowls over them (if you can imagine cutting an angle across the end of a piece of piping and using that, welded on). The idea is that as well as drainage, venturi induced by airflow would pull ventilation through the sill interior to dry out the space when on the move. Thought would have to be given to what and where dry air) could be pulled in. These open vents could also be used for high pressure misting in of a suitable corrosion protector (good old fashioned engine oil might not be a bad option as I've heard its pretty good?).

When I retire and go touring, I'd love to drop by your workshop and talk Bongo bodywork, as it is an interesting and worthwhile challenge restoring these old girls.

Fantastic work. =D>
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Re: Bongo 4wd refurb

Post by Bongolia » Mon Oct 31, 2016 9:04 pm

Sorry the second link actually shows the repair panel after welding. This is the correct link for the old repairs.

https://goo.gl/photos/emiW2grjEALXuE1P9
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Re: Bongo 4wd refurb

Post by Bongolia » Mon Oct 31, 2016 9:24 pm

Thanks Mike.
Actually you dont have to weld anything in after drilling the holes.
When we were in our old premises there was an electrical repair place in the unit opposite and we would cadge the grommets fitted to electrical appliances, they have a tail that surrounds the cable.
Cannot think of what they are called but Geoff would know.
Or if push comes to shove use an electrical wiring grommet with a pipe of stripped out flex s/glued in.
A Saturday morning job then.
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Re: Bongo 4wd refurb

Post by Bongolia » Mon Oct 31, 2016 9:27 pm

mikeonb4c wrote:Extremely interesting to see this work. You say
It would benefit owners to drill 10mm weep holes at these points as there is no drainage in the OE setup.
..and later talk about cowls over holes to encourage airflow. I've long thought about drilling (drain/weep) holes in the bottoms of the sills at relevant points and fitting backwards facing cowls over them (if you can imagine cutting an angle across the end of a piece of piping and using that, welded on). The idea is that as well as drainage, venturi induced by airflow would pull ventilation through the sill interior to dry out the space when on the move. Thought would have to be given to what and where dry air) could be pulled in. These open vents could also be used for high pressure misting in of a suitable corrosion protector (good old fashioned engine oil might not be a bad option as I've heard its pretty good?).

When I retire and go touring, I'd love to drop by your workshop and talk Bongo bodywork, as it is an interesting and worthwhile challenge restoring these old girls.

Fantastic work. =D>
I will put the kettle on. :D
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Re: Bongo 4wd refurb

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Re: Bongo 4wd refurb

Post by mikeonb4c » Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:35 pm

Bongolia wrote:Grommets like these.
http://www.grommets.co.uk/products/sleeved-grommets/
Super duper. I'll look forward to a cuppa at your gaff while we discuss venturi shaped Gromits :lol:

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Re: Bongo 4wd refurb

Post by roosmith » Tue Nov 01, 2016 10:23 am

Bongolia wrote: I also found this little surprise too.
It would explain the low coolant alarm kicking off as i drove it into the shop for the first inspection and the nasty knock when starting from cold.

https://goo.gl/photos/Je7GsMkwpbw8ersv6
Coolant alarm, nasty knock??! When did that start, did I miss something? Is that a hole in the coolant pipe then?
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Re: Bongo 4wd refurb

Post by Bongolia » Tue Nov 01, 2016 12:25 pm

Yes Coolant pipe to rear heater.
Alarm went off as I pulled it onto the ramp on the Saturday the day I stripped it out..
The knock is when you start it from cold. Engine shakes/jumps violently on the first ignition.
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