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Dog question???

Post by Cab-ova pete » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:32 pm

Hi all, has anyone heard of a breed of dog (new?) named a rockhill bulldog? Possibly bred in the Leicestershire area? Sorry about posting in wrong section but I know not how to rectify this :oops:
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Post by Bob » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:41 pm

If you wanted you could delete it and start again, but one of the Mods will likely help out.

Never heard of that dog, though. :?

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Post by mikeWalsall » Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:50 pm

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=rockh ... 7Aaly4joCQ

A new line ...??

Our Bullies line was Brumingham stroller boy of the region ...
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Post by Cab-ova pete » Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:06 pm

Thanks bob :D nice one for the link mike, well I have become the proud owner of a female rockhill pup, she's been with me for 6 weeks now! I just wanted to learn a little more about the breed? I've traced them back to leics but can't find an owner or contact details for an owner? I've seen pups for sale but old ads! Can't find details for seller? Cheers again mike =D>
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Post by mikeWalsall » Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:11 am

Is it a KC breed .. have you not got KC papers with the line ..??

Or is it one of the new 'cross' breeds like a ' Labradoodle' ..??

Always had Bull breeds .. Mull Mastiff .... Staffy & Bulldog .. English Bull terrier & French Bulldog .. Staffy & Bulldog .. and now two Staffies ..

Our last bully was a bitch we re homed .. just used as a breeding machine kept in a shed ..

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She had a traumatic life .. moved form Liverpool to Walsall via several breeders .. We had her (and the Vet bills) after she lost her litter of pups that the breeder was hoping to finance his new conservatory with..

I like to think with us ..she had a quality of life .. very .. very much loved part of the family and when she died .. with the dignity she deserved ..
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Post by BigPanzer » Wed Aug 05, 2015 1:07 pm

Hi Pete,

New one on me, but there are local variants of many breeds around - the Patterdale is possibly the best known example.

Personally I love the bull breeds providing they are not too wrinkly and my favourite has to be the Staffie. We have fostered several for a local dog rescue charity and every one has taken a small piece of my heart when they left to go to their forever home.

I hope you will both be happy, I felt your pain when you wrote about losing Spike.

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Post by mikeWalsall » Wed Aug 05, 2015 1:46 pm

Our 'old' staffy is coming up to fifteen now .. deaf .. lost a load of weight and a bit wobbly on his legs .. until he sees the car keys.. then he loses ten years .. I have to give him a bunk up to get him in the Bongo now though..

Still eats (and poops) OK .. sleeps at the side of my bed at night and to me still has a good quality of life left in him ..

It's heart breaking to lose any part of your family .. we had our last bully (Amber .. in the above pic) cremated and her ashes returned in a small wooden box ..

When my wife died we put Ambers ashes in with her .. so she as gone through the furnace twice ..!!

Both of them are back home now ... in the living room .. on the top of the corner cabinet ..!!
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Post by flossie » Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:21 am

Certainly not a Kennel Club recognised new breed - this will be a greeder looking to extract silly amounts of cash from someone far too easily ( and questionably fraudulently) - far too many dogs bring bred for money without proper health checks and research being done on both parents lines .... Sigh ...

Sorry to be blunt but you have a mongrel - I hope you didn't pay a lot
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Post by mikeWalsall » Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:49 am

'flossie' .. you are a bit blunter than me .. but that was my thinking .. !!

See loads of 'strange' named dogs up for sale .. some at silly money (which i suppose deters the baiters)

My son is house bound and loves getting our various dogs papers out and Googling for information on the past relatives ..
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Post by flossie » Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:08 am

Yep apologies for bluntness but we are seeing so much of this and the clever marketing and 'alternative' registrations are pulling the wool over peoples eyes. I shared the details on a dog breeders forum including breeders of those breeds mentioned. They are horrified; not because they want to keep breeding to themselves but because the mix of breeds here are all high risk and carry similar health issues which means that breeding from 2 unhealth tested lines despite them being different breeds is a recipe for disaster. I can only advise that any owner makes sure they have very good lifetime health cover (not an annual policy).
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Post by BigPanzer » Thu Aug 06, 2015 1:11 pm

Hi,

I have issues with what Flossie says. I have little time for either the KC or the Breed Standards people. Whilst I agree with the fact that crossbreeding can throw up undesirable characteristics from time to time I would point you to the thousands of animals in the UK that have physical infirmities due to breeders trying to meet breed standards. We have all seen pugs that have breathing problems or GSD's with spine and/or hip problems. And as far as recognised KC registered breeders are concerned, I can point you towards a very respected KC registered breeder who had a whole litter of one of the Spitz breeds put to sleep. The reason? They were born with mismatched coloured claws and a couple of them had pink noses.
There are new breeds coming along all the time and have been for hundreds of years and as far as the KC is concerned dogs like the Labradoodle, Lurcher and Cockerpoo are mongrels. This does not mean that they are undesirable, unpredictable or prone to health problems.
But what do I know? I've only owned dogs for almost 40 years and based on what I have seen I would rather have a happy, healthy mongrel from the local pound than a pedigree costing hundreds from a KC registered breeder who uses the money to support their quest to breed the perfect dog (which can then bring them thousands in stud fees) rather than a good friend, companion and partner in life.
Sorry for being so blunt Flossie! Nothing personal I assure you, but having worked with rescue dogs for some time I have had ample opportunity to see the "bad" side of dog breeding, from both backyard breeders and registered ones.

I wait with interest the thunderbolts and fury that is likely to descend on me as a result of this post!

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Post by flossie » Thu Aug 06, 2015 2:17 pm

There will always be issues with an unregulated practice such as dog breeding. A puppy buyer can only be encouraged to go to the breed clubs and speak to their representatives ; learn about health issues in the breed and be guided to a reputable breeder. My post is based on large volumes of research and statistics rather than an individual owners experiences ; we are after all talking about living creatures. what i do take exception to is that the adverts for the puppies of this type and the website are so misleading / clever and incorrect ! The trades descriptions act has been closely considered and the vendor sailing close to the wind. There are currently many mongrel breeders jumping on the bandwagon and trying to invent new 'designer breeds' ... To be very clear they are not breeds. The website also mentions aiming for KC recognition but says he is not interested - of course not as he has zero chance of achieving that.

However all of this said the OP has a new puppy who I sincerely hope they are enjoying and I hope the thread has made any potential new puppy purchasers think to always approach a breed club for recommendation .
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Post by flossie » Thu Aug 06, 2015 2:20 pm

Mike Walsall I omitted to say how wonderful that your wife and your dog are together for eternity that must give you a lot of comfort. I dread the day but although I have relatively young dogs they are all Newfoundlands with a shorter lifespan . I go through it weekly almost with my many many dog friends too. They are truly members of the family .
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Post by helen&tony » Thu Aug 06, 2015 2:27 pm

Hi Peter
Didn't I hear that Lurchers were going to be classified as a "Type"?
What a can of worms that would be...Ours is a saluki x greyhound...EXTRAORDINARILY fast, and they are purpose bred. Any sighthound crossed with another dog is , technically a lurcher, , but what would be classified as a TRUE lurcher, because a proper hunting lurcher is a 3/4 cross greyhound / bedlington....highly prised!...then again, although a lurcher, our lurcher is a cross between 2 sighthounds, and technically a "long dog"....OR...yet again, a deerhound cross is known as a stag-hound, as is a wolfhound cross.....and all of them prized for their hunting ability. I knew a few lurcher-folk in the UK one of whom was begging me to hunt our Willow in hare-coursing, but I don't agree with it....however , I did fancy a bit of lure-coursing....so...it surprised me the actual snobbery in cross-breeds even!
On the matter of rescue centres...yes, they do good work, and I went to a couple....one well-known one was the most ridiculously haughty bunch I've ever come across, with a totally peculiar attitude to dogs, and another ....well, they defied description. My 3-legged dog was a bit of a temperamental old chap with other handlers, and I went to see a supposed deer-hound cross which turned out to be a GSD cross...never mind that they wouldn't know a dog from a parrot, it looked like a lovely dog, so I asked if I could lead the 2 dogs together, as the other dog seemed docile enough...but our "expert " wouldn't have any of it, and HE wanted to walk my old boy, so I left!....apparently this centre had a pretty mixed reputation.
Anyway, I 'phoned Battersea, and when I mentioned the dog I would like to re-home, and would they 'phone if one turned up, they nearly snatched my hand off as the breed is known to be hard to home....but...I was impressed with their manner in comparison to the others....so....whilst there is an argument that says KC breeders can be...I say CAN be a bit unsavoury, I've seen the same with some rescue centres....I won't mention names except off the books!....
I've also seen the same in horses...I used to ride, and I've seen some right old goings-on!
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Post by BigPanzer » Thu Aug 06, 2015 4:01 pm

Helen - I don't know anything about horses. I've only ridden once and I fell off. That was enough for me, but I do hear things....
Personally I couldn't care less about what breed of dog somebody owns. As long as the dog and the owner are happy with each other and have bonded well, the dog is well socialised, is trained and not a nuisance to others, it is neutered and the owner picks up the poop then I am happy for them both.
Yes, there are some bad rescue groups around. Kam, our much loved and missed collie (and failed foster) came from one after being passed around from one rescue to another and proving un-rehomable because none of them had bothered to work with him. When he came to us he was dirty, not used to people or living in a home, he hated the world in general and was unsafe to be around. In time he turned out to be one of the most remarkable dogs I've had and I used to use him to teach children how to (or not to) approach an unknown dog because we trusted each other. But we work with our fosters rather than just feeding them and giving them a place to sleep.
I was impressed with Battersea too. Whisper (thought to be a Staffie/Lab cross, but I think there is a bit of sighthound in there too) came from there and because she was a dog with major problems they were very searching as to our ability to cope with her and give her what she needs. They were most concerned that we knew exactly what we were getting into. A highly professional organisation, nice clean kennels, motivated staff and the dogs there do actually get some "human time"

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