AirCon Recharge.

[mister munkey]

I owe you one there Kirsty!

How did I miss that . . .

Sound of Munkey fetching coat . . . . .

[jaylee]

CAN ANYONE HEAR ME?

THE PUMP AIN'T WORKING


I may be a small soft toy & more than happy to be corrected but surley if the system isn't pumping, it isn't going to leak.

1st job is to get it pumping then I may have some chance of progressing . . . . .


Is there a relay involved here?

Sorry dude, i see what yer saying.. Though in fairness if there is a leak..? There is gonna be a leak. Whether the pump works or not...

... I'm reasoning along the lines of the coolant system or home central heating..?

[Bob]

It's possible your pump bust Mr M.

[dandywarhol]

Could be pump seals - they dry out if a/c isn't used at regular intervals. Doesn't matter if the pump works or not - the a/c gas is pressurised - the pump just circulates it.
And - a B2500 doesn't have a rear a/c system so there won't be enough gas in the system. Kwik Fart should've put a dye in the system and an ultra violet lamp shows up any leaks as yellow stains

[missfixit70]

Could be pump seals - they dry out if a/c isn't used at regular intervals. Doesn't matter if the pump works or not - the a/c gas is pressurised - the pump just circulates it.
And - a B2500 doesn't have a rear a/c system so there won't be enough gas in the system. Kwik Fart should've put a dye in the system and an ultra violet lamp shows up any leaks as yellow stains

Good point Alan, plus it's a front mounted engine, so probably a smaller system even just on the front ac. The bongo should take 950g of gas & 14ml of oil.
Did the kwik fit monkey program it in as a B2500 or did the machine "read it" as being that? If so, how? could well just be that it's put in the required amount of gas for the B2500 which is nowhere near enough for the bongo, so it reads as leaking?
Did they actually suck out the old stuff, or just try & top up with new?

[mister munkey]

A/C used regularly on an almost daily basis. Screen clearing duties in the colder times.

And - a B2500 doesn't have a rear a/c system so there won't be enough gas in the system.

VERY valid point there Sir. But are the front & back not seperate units hence partitioned?

The volume of gas stuffed in on the machine read 560 something if I remember correctly. Would that be right?

[missfixit70]

VERY valid point there Sir. But are the front & back not seperate units hence partitioned?

The volume of gas stuffed in on the machine read 560 something if I remember correctly. Would that be right?

All the same system, no partition - one compressor, one condenser, one dryer, two evap/cooling matrixes, look in lushprojects 700g of gas for front system only (as mine is now), 950g for both.

[mister munkey]

Could be pump seals - they dry out if a/c isn't used at regular intervals. Doesn't matter if the pump works or not - the a/c gas is pressurised - the pump just circulates it.
And - a B2500 doesn't have a rear a/c system so there won't be enough gas in the system. Kwik Fart should've put a dye in the system and an ultra violet lamp shows up any leaks as yellow stains

Good point Alan, plus it's a front mounted engine, so probably a smaller system even just on the front ac. The bongo should take 950g of gas & 14ml of oil.
Did the kwik fit monkey program it in as a B2500 or did the machine "read it" as being that? If so, how? could well just be that it's put in the required amount of gas for the B2500 which is nowhere near enough for the bongo, so it reads as leaking?
Did they actually suck out the old stuff, or just try & top up with new?

Sounds like it could be my mistake.

The machine didn't recognise Bongo. I advised it was the same engine as a Ranger. He stuck that spec in.


It then spent ages purging, vacuming & checking.

No idea if anything that had been sucked out has been replaced though.

Will have to pop back & chat with them.

[missfixit70]

Aah , so maybe it was a Mister Munkey cock up rather than a Kwik Fit Monkey

[jaylee]

Aah , so maybe it was a Mister Munkey cock up rather than a Kwik Fit Monkey

I think sometimes you need the mind of Steven Hawkins to work some o this stuff out!!

Do the air con run to the back on all models then? (Just looked at Lush P.)
I have a manual heater set up with the isolator switch to the back on my N 95.. But no rear AC button.

I always assumed because i have a sunroof fitted i had no air con running to the back!??

[Alacrity]

If the guy at Kwik Fit has left the system with no gas in it then I think you will find the electrics required to operate the compressor & the fast idle kicker will not work. There is a pressure switch in the system that prevents the compressor clutch operating if there is no pressure in the system. The pump would be damaged were it allowed to operate with no gas in it. It sounds to me that he attached a system evacuator to it which purges the system & pulls a vacuum afterwards. If the system won't hold vacuum then you have a leak & get to where you are now!

The front & rear systems are all one, they are not independent. Charge one & you have charged them both.

As Kirsty says, get in touch with an aircon independent. He will be have all the gear to get it sorted if he is any good. Not worth messing about with it yourself IMO.

[missfixit70]

Aah , so maybe it was a Mister Munkey cock up rather than a Kwik Fit Monkey

I think sometimes you need the mind of Steven Hawkins to work some o this stuff out!!

Do the air con run to the back on all models then? (Just looked at Lush P.)
I have a manual heater set up with the isolator switch to the back on my N 95.. But no rear AC button.

I always assumed because i have a sunroof fitted i had no air con running to the back!??

How many pipes run into the heater/ac bit of the cill behind the driver? If there's only 2 hoses then there's no ac, if there's 2 more ally type thinner pipes, you got ac. I'd have thought if they put a rear heater, they'd have put rear ac?

[jaylee]

Aah , so maybe it was a Mister Munkey cock up rather than a Kwik Fit Monkey

I think sometimes you need the mind of Steven Hawkins to work some o this stuff out!!

Do the air con run to the back on all models then? (Just looked at Lush P.)
I have a manual heater set up with the isolator switch to the back on my N 95.. But no rear AC button.

I always assumed because i have a sunroof fitted i had no air con running to the back!??

How many pipes run into the heater/ac bit of the cill behind the driver? If there's only 2 hoses then there's no ac, if there's 2 more ally type thinner pipes, you got ac. I'd have thought if they put a rear heater, they'd have put rear ac?

Cheers Kirsty.. I'll have a look when i get my van back..
Just got off the phone to these guys... http://www.airconjonbristol.co.uk/airco ... lcome.html Nice bloke Paul i spoke to. They know of the Bongo! & after a brief chat about the type of gas.. (after pre 92 they changed it apparently.? Some environmental thing??) And using this thread as reference to the amount of gas. (Though he seemed pretty clued up.) they said they'd do mine for the price stated on the site!!

I haven't committed yet.. I'm having the water pump done at the moment.

[Alacrity]

Any competent aircon man doesn't have to know the weight of gas to put in it. They can tell by looking down into the glass window in the dryer. I have yet to find out whats what on that one - I always go by weight when re-gassing here. It isn't rocket science thats for sure but like auto gearboxes it is seen as a black art - thankfully!

As I didn't know for sure what weight to put in I had my last Bongo re-gassed by a professional & that was how he did it, it worked much better than before & was still working perfectly 18 months later when I traded it for my current one.

[catzi]

My aircon was only just cool so went to local Kik Fit for a recharge. Chap at Kwik Fit told me today he couldn't recharge my system as it was empty. To quote 'we don't add gas to the system, we take out the old gas "fix it" and put it back in'. Sounded like b***cks. Suggested I go to an air-con specialist.

I thought 'what the heck', went to Halfrauds and bought a can of gas. The aircon seems much healhier now. Course, if it leaks out then I will have to visit that specialist...